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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Nandrolone (Deca) Base TRT Trial
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<blockquote data-quote="Gman86" data-source="post: 275515" data-attributes="member: 15043"><p>Ya so between u dropping the test, adding a 40mg bolus of primo, and then only adding back in a small dose of test, ur estrogen could definitely be on the low side atm. Primo has been a surprisingly very potent ai for me during the time that I’ve used it. </p><p></p><p>Ur most likely still gonna have low estrogen on 180 npp and 20 test E. So it’s not super likely that ur gonna feel great subjectively or at the gym or with muscle soreness, even when things stabilize and level out on that protocol. It’s just a starting off point tho. Only reason I say to start off so low with the test, is due to some people being outliers and feeling their best with estrogen on the lower end. And/ or for guys that are high aromatizers that don’t need a lot of test to have their estrogen where it needs to be for them to feel and function at their best. But if I had to guess, I would guess that most guys would need more than 20mg of test per week to reach their sweetspot, on a nandrolone base. At least while running it for HRT. I would assume the higher ur nandrolone dose is, the less test u would need to cover ur estrogen needs</p><p></p><p>But I would just stay the course on the 180 npp and 20 test E. At least for another 3-4 weeks if u can. Let the primo, which has a cyp ester attached, mostly get out of ur system, let the test in ur system get as close to steady state as possible, and see how u feel. And then titrate up ur test dose if needed. I know 3-4 weeks feels like such a long time when ur not feeling and functioning optimally, so I would say just try ur best to get as close to 3-4 weeks as u can before changing anything </p><p></p><p>And since ur using test E, and not prop, it wouldn’t be the worst thing if u bump ur test dose up from 20 to 40, opposed to the titrating up by 10mg each time like I recommended. Sometimes it’s not about what’s perfectly ideal, it’s also about what is going to give the person the best chance of success at eventually figuring out their sweetspot on a protocol. And a huge aspect of getting their is how easy it is for them to stay compliant and patient, and how long they have to stay compliant and patient for. </p><p></p><p>So maybe with test cyp and enanthate it might be preferable to titrate up the dose 20mg at a time, and then just monitor things closely. I’d say if after 2 weeks u end up feeling better than u do at 4 weeks post titrating up ur dose, u can make an educated guess that maybe u overshot ur sweetspot, and then u can simply just back ur test dose down 10mg. But if u end up continually feeling better over the course of 4-6 weeks, u can then try and titrate up ur dose again by 20mg, and repeat the process of monitoring how u feel over the next 4-6 weeks</p><p></p><p>So for anyone reading this, I would probably recommend doing it this way when using test cyp or enanthate (titrating dose up by 20mg/ week each time, as needed) vs using test prop, which I would still recommend only titrating up by 10mg/ week, as needed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gman86, post: 275515, member: 15043"] Ya so between u dropping the test, adding a 40mg bolus of primo, and then only adding back in a small dose of test, ur estrogen could definitely be on the low side atm. Primo has been a surprisingly very potent ai for me during the time that I’ve used it. Ur most likely still gonna have low estrogen on 180 npp and 20 test E. So it’s not super likely that ur gonna feel great subjectively or at the gym or with muscle soreness, even when things stabilize and level out on that protocol. It’s just a starting off point tho. Only reason I say to start off so low with the test, is due to some people being outliers and feeling their best with estrogen on the lower end. And/ or for guys that are high aromatizers that don’t need a lot of test to have their estrogen where it needs to be for them to feel and function at their best. But if I had to guess, I would guess that most guys would need more than 20mg of test per week to reach their sweetspot, on a nandrolone base. At least while running it for HRT. I would assume the higher ur nandrolone dose is, the less test u would need to cover ur estrogen needs But I would just stay the course on the 180 npp and 20 test E. At least for another 3-4 weeks if u can. Let the primo, which has a cyp ester attached, mostly get out of ur system, let the test in ur system get as close to steady state as possible, and see how u feel. And then titrate up ur test dose if needed. I know 3-4 weeks feels like such a long time when ur not feeling and functioning optimally, so I would say just try ur best to get as close to 3-4 weeks as u can before changing anything And since ur using test E, and not prop, it wouldn’t be the worst thing if u bump ur test dose up from 20 to 40, opposed to the titrating up by 10mg each time like I recommended. Sometimes it’s not about what’s perfectly ideal, it’s also about what is going to give the person the best chance of success at eventually figuring out their sweetspot on a protocol. And a huge aspect of getting their is how easy it is for them to stay compliant and patient, and how long they have to stay compliant and patient for. So maybe with test cyp and enanthate it might be preferable to titrate up the dose 20mg at a time, and then just monitor things closely. I’d say if after 2 weeks u end up feeling better than u do at 4 weeks post titrating up ur dose, u can make an educated guess that maybe u overshot ur sweetspot, and then u can simply just back ur test dose down 10mg. But if u end up continually feeling better over the course of 4-6 weeks, u can then try and titrate up ur dose again by 20mg, and repeat the process of monitoring how u feel over the next 4-6 weeks So for anyone reading this, I would probably recommend doing it this way when using test cyp or enanthate (titrating dose up by 20mg/ week each time, as needed) vs using test prop, which I would still recommend only titrating up by 10mg/ week, as needed. [/QUOTE]
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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
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Nandrolone (Deca) Base TRT Trial
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