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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Nandrolone (Deca) Base TRT Trial
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<blockquote data-quote="Gman86" data-source="post: 272274" data-attributes="member: 15043"><p>Just want to mention this, cuz I think it’s important for guys to understand. Yes, the reason test works so well as an androgen replacement, is because it converts into important metabolites, such as E2 and DHT. The reason nandrolone works just as well, when used properly, is due to it converting into metabolites that are mandatory for the male body as well. Test converts mainly into E2, as far as estrogens go. Nandrolone also converts into E2, just at an extremely low rate. However, it converts into E1 at a higher rate than test. E1 can carry out the same functions as E2, it’s just a lot weaker than E2, so it takes much more of it to carry out the same functions within the body. That’s why if a guy does a high enough dose of nandrolone, when using it solo, they can feel as good, if not better, than on test solo. It’s because their estrogens, as a whole, are enough for the body to carry out the functions it needs to feel and function optimally. The problem with this is, the dose of nandrolone a guy needs to take, when using it solo, might be too high of a total androgen load to maintain optimal health long term.</p><p></p><p>it’s the same deal with DHT. Nandrolone converts into DHN. Which activates the same receptors that DHT does, and carries out the same functions that DHT does, it’s just a lot weaker than DHT, so it takes a lot more of it to do the same job.</p><p></p><p>These aren’t negatives of nandrolone tho, these are actually it’s biggest positives. The best part about nandrolone is that it converts into weak metabolites. With nandrolone, we can keep androgens high, and metabolite levels lowish. And then decide where we want these metabolite levels to be, by either increasing our nandrolone dose, or adding in low dose test to boost E2 and DHT levels to where we feel and function at our best. Again, the best aspect of a nandrolone base is the level of control we have on these metabolite levels</p><p></p><p>So to answer ur question, I think it’s probably unlikely that 210mg of nandrolone by itself will convert into these important metabolites at levels that will have u feeling and functioning at ur best. Not saying it’s impossible. I’ve seen a few guys do well on 200-250mg of nandrolone solo. Or at least report that they feel good, and everything seems to be functioning well. Obv no idea if things under the hood cardiovascularly/ tendon/ ligament, bone and brain wise are all good or not. The guys I’m referencing that said they were doing good on these dosages of nandrolone solo just reported that they felt good, and everything sexually was functioning well. I’m just saying that I don’t think most guys would feel and function at their best on 250mg of nandrolone, or less, when using it by itself. Doesn’t hurt to try and see how it goes tho, and then obv add some test back in if the experiment doesn’t seem to be going well. I think it’s probably worth a shot to try</p><p></p><p>I just think it probably makes more sense to use a minimal dose of test with a nandrolone base, plus it just seems to be what I’ve seen work pretty consistently based on guys I know doing it, and anecdotes I’ve read online</p><p></p><p>Risks would just simply be the same as having too low of levels of E2 and DHT on TRT. Whatever those risks are, would be the same risks that using 210mg of nandrolone solo could potentially bring. All depends on how much aromatase enzymes and 5Ar enzymes u have in ur body really. Everyone has different amounts</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gman86, post: 272274, member: 15043"] Just want to mention this, cuz I think it’s important for guys to understand. Yes, the reason test works so well as an androgen replacement, is because it converts into important metabolites, such as E2 and DHT. The reason nandrolone works just as well, when used properly, is due to it converting into metabolites that are mandatory for the male body as well. Test converts mainly into E2, as far as estrogens go. Nandrolone also converts into E2, just at an extremely low rate. However, it converts into E1 at a higher rate than test. E1 can carry out the same functions as E2, it’s just a lot weaker than E2, so it takes much more of it to carry out the same functions within the body. That’s why if a guy does a high enough dose of nandrolone, when using it solo, they can feel as good, if not better, than on test solo. It’s because their estrogens, as a whole, are enough for the body to carry out the functions it needs to feel and function optimally. The problem with this is, the dose of nandrolone a guy needs to take, when using it solo, might be too high of a total androgen load to maintain optimal health long term. it’s the same deal with DHT. Nandrolone converts into DHN. Which activates the same receptors that DHT does, and carries out the same functions that DHT does, it’s just a lot weaker than DHT, so it takes a lot more of it to do the same job. These aren’t negatives of nandrolone tho, these are actually it’s biggest positives. The best part about nandrolone is that it converts into weak metabolites. With nandrolone, we can keep androgens high, and metabolite levels lowish. And then decide where we want these metabolite levels to be, by either increasing our nandrolone dose, or adding in low dose test to boost E2 and DHT levels to where we feel and function at our best. Again, the best aspect of a nandrolone base is the level of control we have on these metabolite levels So to answer ur question, I think it’s probably unlikely that 210mg of nandrolone by itself will convert into these important metabolites at levels that will have u feeling and functioning at ur best. Not saying it’s impossible. I’ve seen a few guys do well on 200-250mg of nandrolone solo. Or at least report that they feel good, and everything seems to be functioning well. Obv no idea if things under the hood cardiovascularly/ tendon/ ligament, bone and brain wise are all good or not. The guys I’m referencing that said they were doing good on these dosages of nandrolone solo just reported that they felt good, and everything sexually was functioning well. I’m just saying that I don’t think most guys would feel and function at their best on 250mg of nandrolone, or less, when using it by itself. Doesn’t hurt to try and see how it goes tho, and then obv add some test back in if the experiment doesn’t seem to be going well. I think it’s probably worth a shot to try I just think it probably makes more sense to use a minimal dose of test with a nandrolone base, plus it just seems to be what I’ve seen work pretty consistently based on guys I know doing it, and anecdotes I’ve read online Risks would just simply be the same as having too low of levels of E2 and DHT on TRT. Whatever those risks are, would be the same risks that using 210mg of nandrolone solo could potentially bring. All depends on how much aromatase enzymes and 5Ar enzymes u have in ur body really. Everyone has different amounts [/QUOTE]
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Nandrolone (Deca) Base TRT Trial
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