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Help me dial in my protocol Nebido
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<blockquote data-quote="DragonBits" data-source="post: 162240" data-attributes="member: 18023"><p>Not sure what you mean by "better results". Less adverse results, more muscle, more libido?? I am not sure what you mean by "better results"?</p><p></p><p>But I don't believe what you posted is entirely true. You are first assuming a higher steady state level of testosterone is more negative than frequent big (but smaller) spikes and drops.</p><p></p><p>HCT occurrences are lower on nebido than any other protocol. How can you explain that?</p><p></p><p>Testosterone cypionate or enanthate</p><p>(short-acting injectable)100-200 mg IM every week</p><p>67% get a rise over 50%</p><p></p><p>Testosterone undecanoate (long-acting injectable)1000 mg, 12 weeks</p><p>7% get a rise over 50%</p><p></p><p>Transdermal gel 50-100 mg every day(sachets)</p><p>Testosterone 20-80 mg every day (dosing pump)</p><p>13% get a rise over 50%</p><p></p><p>Pellets Crystalline testosterone 75 mg/pellet implanted, 10-14 pellets every 3-6 month</p><p>35% get a rise over 50%.</p><p>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>From an NIH study.</p><p></p><p>"This rightward shift in the EPO–hemoglobin relationship curve suggests that testosterone administration had reset the “set point” for EPO in relation to hemoglobin."</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4022090/" target="_blank">Testosterone Induces Erythrocytosis via Increased Erythropoietin and Suppressed Hepcidin: Evidence for a New Erythropoietin/Hemoglobin Set Point</a></p><p></p><p>IMO the one spike up and long drift down allows your body to adapt to the higher levels of testosterone, while constant spikes up and down are difficult to adapt to.</p><p></p><p>But the data suggest it is a combination of the degree of the spike up and frequency of spikes. So much smaller spikes frequently isn't a problem, one larger spike up with a drift down in 3 months isn't a problem, but frequent large spikes and drops are the biggest problem. Thus bi-montly testosterone cypionate has more negative effects than week, better yet is every 3 days or daily. Better meaning fewer adverse side effects. But testosterone cypionate has a much quicker release time than testosterone undecanoate (nebido, aveed).</p><p></p><p>==============================================</p><p>BTW I wonder if one injected 2 ml nebido in each cheek of your butt, would you get a much higher initial level of testosterone? I would think so.</p><p>==============================================</p><p></p><p>In any case, I am mostly a libertarian and people can experiment all they want, but don't expect the same results as you would get following an established and tested protocol. It's kind of out on your own as to what will happen and I don't think you can predict it based on a theory.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DragonBits, post: 162240, member: 18023"] Not sure what you mean by "better results". Less adverse results, more muscle, more libido?? I am not sure what you mean by "better results"? But I don't believe what you posted is entirely true. You are first assuming a higher steady state level of testosterone is more negative than frequent big (but smaller) spikes and drops. HCT occurrences are lower on nebido than any other protocol. How can you explain that? Testosterone cypionate or enanthate (short-acting injectable)100-200 mg IM every week 67% get a rise over 50% Testosterone undecanoate (long-acting injectable)1000 mg, 12 weeks 7% get a rise over 50% Transdermal gel 50-100 mg every day(sachets) Testosterone 20-80 mg every day (dosing pump) 13% get a rise over 50% Pellets Crystalline testosterone 75 mg/pellet implanted, 10-14 pellets every 3-6 month 35% get a rise over 50%. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From an NIH study. "This rightward shift in the EPO–hemoglobin relationship curve suggests that testosterone administration had reset the “set point” for EPO in relation to hemoglobin." [URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4022090/']Testosterone Induces Erythrocytosis via Increased Erythropoietin and Suppressed Hepcidin: Evidence for a New Erythropoietin/Hemoglobin Set Point[/URL] IMO the one spike up and long drift down allows your body to adapt to the higher levels of testosterone, while constant spikes up and down are difficult to adapt to. But the data suggest it is a combination of the degree of the spike up and frequency of spikes. So much smaller spikes frequently isn't a problem, one larger spike up with a drift down in 3 months isn't a problem, but frequent large spikes and drops are the biggest problem. Thus bi-montly testosterone cypionate has more negative effects than week, better yet is every 3 days or daily. Better meaning fewer adverse side effects. But testosterone cypionate has a much quicker release time than testosterone undecanoate (nebido, aveed). ============================================== BTW I wonder if one injected 2 ml nebido in each cheek of your butt, would you get a much higher initial level of testosterone? I would think so. ============================================== In any case, I am mostly a libertarian and people can experiment all they want, but don't expect the same results as you would get following an established and tested protocol. It's kind of out on your own as to what will happen and I don't think you can predict it based on a theory. [/QUOTE]
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