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<blockquote data-quote="Chrander" data-source="post: 161236" data-attributes="member: 39005"><p>Hi.</p><p></p><p>A little over 30y old and prescribed Nebido as trt from my doc. No guidance at all, so I want to get help from you nice guys<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">87-91kg</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">8% +- fat (3,2 mm: 12 point caliper test)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">2800-3200 calories. Slowly reverse dieting.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Moderate to high activity. Training 5 days a week. 10-15k steps a day.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Strength training + mtb</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Engineer</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Melatonin 3mg ED</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">L-tyrosine 750mg in the morning</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">5000iu Vit D3 (levels always normal)</li> </ul><p></p><p><strong>TRT:</strong></p><p></p><p>I started Nebido 17w ago. A little unconventional protocol, but here we go; 4ml split into two injections sites: w0, w3 and w6, followed by an injection at w11.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Took some Tamoxifen along the way (about two weeks in total) du to development of tissue behind the nipples. All gone.</li> </ul><p>Now I am testing my levels every week (Thursdays) (done so from of week 15).</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Started 20mg tamoxifen Friday in week 15 due to new gyno development and S-estradiol-17beta: 0.20 (ref: 0-0,17) tested in w15, so a little high estrogen.</li> </ul><p></p><p><strong>w15 </strong>(no tamoxifen, started the day after when labs came back with 0.2 estrogen):</p><p>F-test: 9.1 <strong>2,3- 9,9</strong></p><p>S-test: >50 <strong> 8- 35 nmol/l</strong></p><p>Prolactin 137 <strong><700</strong></p><p>TSH: 3.1 <strong> 0,2-4</strong></p><p>Free t3: 3,8 <strong> 3,5- 6,5</strong></p><p>Free t4: 11,7 <strong> 11-23</strong></p><p>SHBG: 55 <strong> 8-60</strong></p><p>S-estradiol-17beta: <em>0.2* </em> <strong> 0-0,17</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>w16:</strong></p><p></p><p>F-test: 9.4 <strong>2,3- 9,9</strong></p><p>S-test: >50 <strong>8- 35 nmol/l</strong></p><p>Prolactin 77 <strong><700</strong></p><p>TSH: 2,5 <strong>0,2-4</strong></p><p>Free t3: 3,5 <strong> 3,5- 6,5</strong></p><p>Free t4: 11,9 <strong>11-23</strong></p><p>SHBG: 53 <strong> 8-60</strong></p><p>S-estradiol-17beta: 0.13 <strong>0-0,17</strong></p><p></p><p>Got down to 10mg tamoxifen Friday w16.</p><p></p><p>Lates test (<strong>w17, yesterday)</strong>:</p><p></p><p>Test was done in the morning not fasted (shake ++)</p><p></p><p>F-test: <em>7* </em> <strong>2,3- 9,9</strong></p><p>S-test: 47 <strong> 8- 35 nmol/l</strong></p><p>Prolactin 152 <strong><700</strong></p><p>TSH: 3,5 <strong>0,2-4</strong></p><p>Free t3: 3,7 . <strong>3,5- 6,5</strong></p><p>Free t4: 13,7 . <strong>11-23</strong></p><p>SHBG: <em>67* </em>. <strong>8-60</strong></p><p>S-estradiol-17beta: <strong> 0.12</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">5mg tamoxifen starting today (Friday w17) for one week. Tapering down from the 20mg.</li> </ul><p>So my total testosterone is now below 50 and "detectable" for the labs. Free test is a little lover and SHBG is higher. Could this be due to the usage of tamoxifen?</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Low libido. My penis is "dead". I can get it hard, but I am not horny..</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Many huge ups and downs (mood swings). Might even think it is a depression I am feeling.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maby due to estrogen and the amount of testosterone in my body. Nebido is working slow, so I am just starting..</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Not feeling great.</li> </ul><p><strong>My Q:</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When to add my next Nebido injection? This week or next? More labs? In need for my total test to lover more?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I want to be at upper level testosterone</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What to do regarding high SHBG (could it only be tamoxifen?)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Libido..</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Do not want to use an AI if I do not need one</li> </ul><p>All other input is very well tolerated..</p><p></p><p>Thank you<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chrander, post: 161236, member: 39005"] Hi. A little over 30y old and prescribed Nebido as trt from my doc. No guidance at all, so I want to get help from you nice guys:) [LIST] [*]87-91kg [*]8% +- fat (3,2 mm: 12 point caliper test) [*]2800-3200 calories. Slowly reverse dieting. [*]Moderate to high activity. Training 5 days a week. 10-15k steps a day. [*]Strength training + mtb [*]Engineer [*]Melatonin 3mg ED [*]L-tyrosine 750mg in the morning [*]5000iu Vit D3 (levels always normal) [/LIST] [B]TRT:[/B] I started Nebido 17w ago. A little unconventional protocol, but here we go; 4ml split into two injections sites: w0, w3 and w6, followed by an injection at w11. [LIST] [*]Took some Tamoxifen along the way (about two weeks in total) du to development of tissue behind the nipples. All gone. [/LIST] Now I am testing my levels every week (Thursdays) (done so from of week 15). [LIST] [*]Started 20mg tamoxifen Friday in week 15 due to new gyno development and S-estradiol-17beta: 0.20 (ref: 0-0,17) tested in w15, so a little high estrogen. [/LIST] [B]w15 [/B](no tamoxifen, started the day after when labs came back with 0.2 estrogen): F-test: 9.1 [B]2,3- 9,9[/B] S-test: >50 [B] 8- 35 nmol/l[/B] Prolactin 137 [B]<700[/B] TSH: 3.1 [B] 0,2-4[/B] Free t3: 3,8 [B] 3,5- 6,5[/B] Free t4: 11,7 [B] 11-23[/B] SHBG: 55 [B] 8-60[/B] S-estradiol-17beta: [I]0.2* [/I][B] [/B] [B] 0-0,17[/B] [B]w16:[/B] F-test: 9.4 [B]2,3- 9,9[/B] S-test: >50 [B]8- 35 nmol/l[/B] Prolactin 77 [B]<700[/B] TSH: 2,5 [B]0,2-4[/B] Free t3: 3,5 [B] 3,5- 6,5[/B] Free t4: 11,9 [B]11-23[/B] SHBG: 53 [B] 8-60[/B] S-estradiol-17beta: 0.13 [B]0-0,17[/B] Got down to 10mg tamoxifen Friday w16. Lates test ([B]w17, yesterday)[/B]: Test was done in the morning not fasted (shake ++) F-test: [I]7* [/I] [B]2,3- 9,9[/B] S-test: 47 [B] 8- 35 nmol/l[/B] Prolactin 152 [B]<700[/B] TSH: 3,5 [B]0,2-4[/B] Free t3: 3,7 . [B]3,5- 6,5[/B] Free t4: 13,7 . [B]11-23[/B] SHBG: [I]67* [/I]. [B]8-60[/B] S-estradiol-17beta: [B] 0.12[/B] [LIST] [*]5mg tamoxifen starting today (Friday w17) for one week. Tapering down from the 20mg. [/LIST] So my total testosterone is now below 50 and "detectable" for the labs. Free test is a little lover and SHBG is higher. Could this be due to the usage of tamoxifen? [LIST] [*]Low libido. My penis is "dead". I can get it hard, but I am not horny.. [*]Many huge ups and downs (mood swings). Might even think it is a depression I am feeling. [LIST] [*]Maby due to estrogen and the amount of testosterone in my body. Nebido is working slow, so I am just starting.. [/LIST] [*]Not feeling great. [/LIST] [B]My Q:[/B] [LIST] [*]When to add my next Nebido injection? This week or next? More labs? In need for my total test to lover more? [LIST] [*]I want to be at upper level testosterone [/LIST] [*]What to do regarding high SHBG (could it only be tamoxifen?) [*]Libido.. [*]Do not want to use an AI if I do not need one [/LIST] All other input is very well tolerated.. Thank you:) [/QUOTE]
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