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HCG -- Total weekly or per dose matter most?
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<blockquote data-quote="Blackhawk" data-source="post: 115902" data-attributes="member: 16042"><p><strong>To me, Dr Saya's take home points of that study</strong> <a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?6133-What-is-the-best-dose-of-HCG-Dr-Saya-presents-two-case-studies" target="_blank">https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?6133-What-is-the-best-dose-of-HCG-Dr-Saya-presents-two-case-studies</a> :</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333333">"My clinical mind and instincts suggest that the “ideal” hCG dosage likely lies in between these two extremes (150iu vs 500iu) and ideal frequency will hinge upon ideal dosage (with 150iu or less dosages likely requiring daily or even more frequent injections) and larger dosages (500iu, possibly even slightly smaller) requiring no more frequent than twice weekly injections, but this conclusion simply cannot be made concretely from this limited data."</span></p><p></p><p>"<span style="color: #333333">a consensus on use and dosing/frequency has not been reached among practitioners and the situation is complicated by the degree of bio-hormonal individuality present across the population and the varying effects and goals of hCG treatment in different clinical scenarios (low SHBG levels, high estradiol levels, fertility concerns, etc). The data in this limited case study suggest that a dosage of 150iu hCG appears to attain minimal to moderate stimulation (serum concentration of 1mIU/mL) of the testicular leydig cells for a duration less than 24 hours and would likely be insufficient to attain continuous stimulation of the testicular leydig cells, UNLESS given on a daily basis, perhaps more frequently. Whereas, an injection of hCG 500iu appears to attain moderate stimulation (serum concentration 2mIU/mL -> 3mIU/mL -> 3mIU/mL -> 1mIU/mL) for a period slightly longer than</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">3 days (72 hours), likely enabling twice weekly, evenly spread, injections to attain continuous stimulation. As noted previously, I believe these patterns also suggest that a dosage regimen of hCG 250iu-350iu on an every other day (QOD) schedule would likely offer an alternative regimen for moderate, relatively steady and consistent testicular stimulation, although more data would be needed to confirm this conclusion."</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><strong>And the bottom line for </strong></span><strong><span style="color: #333333">Crisler's outlook</span><span style="color: #333333">: </span></strong><a href="http://drjohncrisler.com/the-crisler-hcg-protocol---part-deux.html" target="_blank">http://drjohncrisler.com/the-crisler-hcg-protocol---part-deux.html</a> <span style="color: #333333">:</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span>"Since our goal in “Backfilling the Pathways” (subject of another report) is to produce as normal a hormonal landscape as possible, while simultaneously seizing control of the HPTA, providing a physiologic dose of the LH-mimic HCG is key. That means small, daily doses. Second best is a double daily dose, QOD (every other day). Third best is a triple dose Q3D (every third day). You get the pattern. I usually start them off at 100-150iu QD, based upon previous Medical History and, frankly, how I feel at the time about their case."</p><p></p><p>"If you are taking test cyp shots twice per week, and want to take HCG similarly, take the HCG (250-500iu) the day before the test cyp shot, each time. We don't want to unnecessarily stack the HCG on top of the test cyp shot. If you are doing QOD or even daily test cyp shots (some actually do), it won't matter."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blackhawk, post: 115902, member: 16042"] [B]To me, Dr Saya's take home points of that study[/B] [URL]https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?6133-What-is-the-best-dose-of-HCG-Dr-Saya-presents-two-case-studies[/URL] : [COLOR=#333333]"My clinical mind and instincts suggest that the “ideal” hCG dosage likely lies in between these two extremes (150iu vs 500iu) and ideal frequency will hinge upon ideal dosage (with 150iu or less dosages likely requiring daily or even more frequent injections) and larger dosages (500iu, possibly even slightly smaller) requiring no more frequent than twice weekly injections, but this conclusion simply cannot be made concretely from this limited data."[/COLOR] "[COLOR=#333333]a consensus on use and dosing/frequency has not been reached among practitioners and the situation is complicated by the degree of bio-hormonal individuality present across the population and the varying effects and goals of hCG treatment in different clinical scenarios (low SHBG levels, high estradiol levels, fertility concerns, etc). The data in this limited case study suggest that a dosage of 150iu hCG appears to attain minimal to moderate stimulation (serum concentration of 1mIU/mL) of the testicular leydig cells for a duration less than 24 hours and would likely be insufficient to attain continuous stimulation of the testicular leydig cells, UNLESS given on a daily basis, perhaps more frequently. Whereas, an injection of hCG 500iu appears to attain moderate stimulation (serum concentration 2mIU/mL -> 3mIU/mL -> 3mIU/mL -> 1mIU/mL) for a period slightly longer than[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]3 days (72 hours), likely enabling twice weekly, evenly spread, injections to attain continuous stimulation. As noted previously, I believe these patterns also suggest that a dosage regimen of hCG 250iu-350iu on an every other day (QOD) schedule would likely offer an alternative regimen for moderate, relatively steady and consistent testicular stimulation, although more data would be needed to confirm this conclusion." [B]And the bottom line for [/B][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#333333]Crisler's outlook[/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]: [/COLOR][/B][url]http://drjohncrisler.com/the-crisler-hcg-protocol---part-deux.html[/url] [COLOR=#333333]: [/COLOR]"Since our goal in “Backfilling the Pathways” (subject of another report) is to produce as normal a hormonal landscape as possible, while simultaneously seizing control of the HPTA, providing a physiologic dose of the LH-mimic HCG is key. That means small, daily doses. Second best is a double daily dose, QOD (every other day). Third best is a triple dose Q3D (every third day). You get the pattern. I usually start them off at 100-150iu QD, based upon previous Medical History and, frankly, how I feel at the time about their case." "If you are taking test cyp shots twice per week, and want to take HCG similarly, take the HCG (250-500iu) the day before the test cyp shot, each time. We don't want to unnecessarily stack the HCG on top of the test cyp shot. If you are doing QOD or even daily test cyp shots (some actually do), it won't matter." [/QUOTE]
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