Hcg and primary hypogonadism

[airborne1113]

I was reading in a ******** group that hcg doesn’t help much with those with primary hypogonadism. Just looking for info if true or not die to unrepaired torsion injury as a child and other side not showing much change no Mayer what dose I use thanks in advance

 

[Vince Carter]

If you're primary, the problem is the testes, there's no to very little reason to stimulate the testes with HCG (or Clomid). That doesn't make any sense, right?
For guys that are secondary they would have a better chance of some success with HCG mono, or Clomid.

 

[airborne1113]

If you're primary, the problem is the testes, there's no to very little reason to stimulate the testes with HCG (or Clomid). That doesn't make any sense, right?
For guys that are secondary they would have a better chance of some success with HCG mono, or Clomid.

Thanks for the reply and that is my thought only thing it would do is cause increase estrogen? But the docs at defy have me on it. Trying to find ways to reduce use of estrogen and limit ai use

 

[Vince]

I'm primary and I still inject with HCG. Only have one fully working testicle. I like that is still full.

 

[airborne1113]

I'm primary and I still inject with HCG. Only have one fully working testicle. I like that is still full.

My second one gave up about 4 years ago and that is what had started me on low t pathway

 

[Vince Carter]

I'm primary and I still inject with HCG. Only have one fully working testicle. I like that is still full.

Thats not exactly what he's talking about, he's referencing the efficacy of a mono-therapy via HCG.

 

[Vince Carter]

Thanks for the reply and that is my thought only thing it would do is cause increase estrogen? But the docs at defy have me on it. Trying to find ways to reduce use of estrogen and limit ai use

It's more likely I think in a Primary scenario to be more about Estrogen, more likely than endo Test. Too, an AI is less effective in the testicular environment.
How much was this your request and decision to be on mono-therapy? Your clinic knows these things so it's an oddity that they'd go this route. Are you relatively young?

 

[Vince]

Thats not exactly what he's talking about, he's referencing the efficacy of a mono-therapy via HCG.

Okay I understand, I thought he was talking about using testosterone and HCG. HCG for backfilling the pathways.

 

[airborne1113]

Okay I understand, I thought he was talking about using testosterone and HCG. HCG for backfilling the pathways.

Sorry I am using test and hcg daily sub q. But had read that hcg when you are primary hypo that it really does nothing other than increase estrogen was curious if anyone has heard this or it’s just old wives tale

 

[Vince]

Sorry I am using test and hcg daily sub q. But had read that hcg when you are primary hypo that it really does nothing other than increase estrogen was curious if anyone has heard this or it’s just old wives tale

When your primary, HCG increase less estrogen then if your secondary. Since your testicles do not function fully, HCG will not increase your testosterone or estrogen as much as someone with healthy testicles.

 

[Jon H]

Sorry I am using test and hcg daily sub q. But had read that hcg when you are primary hypo that it really does nothing other than increase estrogen was curious if anyone has heard this or it’s just old wives tale

I am VERY primary, and I would never want to be without HCG with my HRT. I generally use more than most (at least 1500iu per week), but quality of life is 100% better. Without HCG my testicles literally shrink into very small raisin-sized objects, almost non-existent, and semen quantity would go to almost nothing.

You're the only person to answer if it will work for you or not. If you use it and it helps, then it works. If you use it and it doesn't seem to add anything to your TRT, then it doesn't. You could always stop using it for a while, and then if you notice negative symptoms happening you can order more through Defy and have it in less than a week.

Regarding estrogen conversion...HCG never seemed to have much of an impact on mine. However, your conversion rate to estrogen could be completely different.

 

[Cataceous]

As the guys suggest, it's possible that there are benefits to taking hCG with TRT even without functioning testicles. Under TRT, luteinizing hormone (LH) is typically reduced to very low levels. The issue is that we have LH receptors in a lot of places besides the testicles. What are they doing and is it bad if they're no longer stimulated? We don't fully know, but some guys receive subjective benefits by replacing the suppressed LH with exogenous hCG.

 

[Airborne Warrior]

I certainly feel better within myself on a Test/HCG protocol than on testosterone alone.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

Some primary hypogonadism patients do respond to higher dose hCG.

 

[airborne1113]

Some primary hypogonadism patients do respond to higher dose hCG.

How high would be a maximum dose for hcg or what have you seen in your expierences for a typical dose for primary that doesn’t respond at current dose of 900units weekly divided three times a week thanks for any input

 

[Nelson Vergel]

How high would be a maximum dose for hcg or what have you seen in your expierences for a typical dose for primary that doesn’t respond at current dose of 900units weekly divided three times a week thanks for any input

The min dose with TRT should be 1500 IU weekly divided in 3 doses.

 

[airborne1113]

The min dose with TRT should be 1500 IU weekly divided in
So if doing daily’s injection one would just break that down by 7 or would that reduce the dose to low and make it not effective

 

[Nelson Vergel]

1,500 divided by 7 is 240 IU daily. We have no data on that daily dose used along with TRT. You can try it and see what your testicular size and semen quality are after a few weeks.

Intratesticular testosterone normalized only at doses over 250 IU of HCG every other day (with TRT). Intratesticular T is needed for proper semen production.

A single shot of HCG (in this graph showing 500 IU, 50,000 IU, 5000 IU and 6500 IU) increases After 24 hours. T goes down to baseline after 72 hours. I doubt that 1500/7=

Is this graph, 300 IU every day for 3 days increased T and E2 stabilized after the second day even after the third shot.

 

[airborne1113]

1,500 divided by 7 is 240 IU daily. We have no data on that daily dose used along with TRT. You can try it and see what your testicular size and semen quality are after a few weeks.


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Intratesticular testosterone normalized only at doses over 250 IU of HCG every other day (with TRT). Intratesticular T is needed for proper semen production.

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A single shot of HCG (in this graph showing 500 IU, 50,000 IU, 5000 IU and 6500 IU) increases After 24 hours. T goes down to baseline after 72 hours. I doubt that 1500/7=

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Is this graph, 300 IU every day for 3 days increased T and E2 stabilized after the second day even after the third shot.

Thanks

 

[airborne1113]

Thanks

Thanks for the advice and info I’ve bumped up the daily dose so far with 300 units daily I have seen some increase in size is there a point when maximum daily dose that should not be gone over or a maximum time that daily injections should be given thanks I’ve done searches but the information you get on dosing hcg is vague lol a lot of trial and error so to say lol thanks again