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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Testosterone Basics & Questions
First post. Can’t get E2 under control, starting to worry
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<blockquote data-quote="jmbb" data-source="post: 276726" data-attributes="member: 46555"><p>While I wasn't referring to you in particular, I don't really see much of an argument for starting people off at high levels either, and I certainly never said that.</p><p></p><p>The issue I see is people who are too stubborn to accept the fact that nearly all men on successful protocols are not strictly attempting to adhere to the middle of laboratory ranges 24/7 or mimic natural production, or using doses that would strictly be considered in line with physiological production. I would argue that 99+ percent of men are on successful TRT protocols that would be considered "supraphysiological" if we are using daily endogenous milligram production as a metric.</p><p></p><p>I won't strictly define it with a percentage based on natural production, because this makes many assumptions, and strict definitions are part of the issue of this mindset in the first place. But as a rough range for discussion's sake, on certain forums, anything above 100-120mg per week of enanthate/cypionate up to 200mg is considered a moderate/high TRT dose before it starts getting more into the performance enhancement side (this range again is arguable based on many factors).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jmbb, post: 276726, member: 46555"] While I wasn't referring to you in particular, I don't really see much of an argument for starting people off at high levels either, and I certainly never said that. The issue I see is people who are too stubborn to accept the fact that nearly all men on successful protocols are not strictly attempting to adhere to the middle of laboratory ranges 24/7 or mimic natural production, or using doses that would strictly be considered in line with physiological production. I would argue that 99+ percent of men are on successful TRT protocols that would be considered "supraphysiological" if we are using daily endogenous milligram production as a metric. I won't strictly define it with a percentage based on natural production, because this makes many assumptions, and strict definitions are part of the issue of this mindset in the first place. But as a rough range for discussion's sake, on certain forums, anything above 100-120mg per week of enanthate/cypionate up to 200mg is considered a moderate/high TRT dose before it starts getting more into the performance enhancement side (this range again is arguable based on many factors). [/QUOTE]
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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
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