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<blockquote data-quote="Gman86" data-source="post: 135377" data-attributes="member: 15043"><p>Trust me, I get exactly what you’re saying. I’ve wondered the same thing, and have mentioned it on other threads. Pre-TRT, total T for me was around high 500’s - high 600’s, and my E2 was usually around 20-25.</p><p></p><p>So I’ve also wondered if we should listen to our bodies, and try to keep E2 conversion similar to where it was prior to TRT. Notice I said E2 CONVERSION though. E2 does follow T, so as T goes up, so should E2. So say my pre-TRT total T was 600, and E2 was 20, which is basically what was going on in my case. So I divide 20 by 600, and I get a conversion of 0.033333333333333. Then I can multiply my new total T of 1200, by my old conversion rate of 0.033333333333333, which gives me 40. Which actually coincides with the other theory getting knocked around, where E2 might be best right around where you SHBG level is. My SHBG runs in the 40’s. My last labs had my SHBG at 45.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully that makes sense. So I totally see what you’re saying, but I think the hypothesis should be more based off of your set conversion rate, rather than just trying to get your E2 where it was pre TRT. Because if T is low and in an unhealthy range, E2 is usually going to be lower than it should be for you as well. But your original conversion rate is definitely something that could be a key to getting E2 dialed in, imo. Obviously factoring in obesity level as well. If you were more overweight pre-TRT, you were probably converting T into E2 at a higher rate than what is optimal for your body. So if you’ve lost weight since starting TRT, you might want to use your old conversion rate, and drop that number by a few points to factor in that you your conversion rate should be a little lower now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gman86, post: 135377, member: 15043"] Trust me, I get exactly what you’re saying. I’ve wondered the same thing, and have mentioned it on other threads. Pre-TRT, total T for me was around high 500’s - high 600’s, and my E2 was usually around 20-25. So I’ve also wondered if we should listen to our bodies, and try to keep E2 conversion similar to where it was prior to TRT. Notice I said E2 CONVERSION though. E2 does follow T, so as T goes up, so should E2. So say my pre-TRT total T was 600, and E2 was 20, which is basically what was going on in my case. So I divide 20 by 600, and I get a conversion of 0.033333333333333. Then I can multiply my new total T of 1200, by my old conversion rate of 0.033333333333333, which gives me 40. Which actually coincides with the other theory getting knocked around, where E2 might be best right around where you SHBG level is. My SHBG runs in the 40’s. My last labs had my SHBG at 45. Hopefully that makes sense. So I totally see what you’re saying, but I think the hypothesis should be more based off of your set conversion rate, rather than just trying to get your E2 where it was pre TRT. Because if T is low and in an unhealthy range, E2 is usually going to be lower than it should be for you as well. But your original conversion rate is definitely something that could be a key to getting E2 dialed in, imo. Obviously factoring in obesity level as well. If you were more overweight pre-TRT, you were probably converting T into E2 at a higher rate than what is optimal for your body. So if you’ve lost weight since starting TRT, you might want to use your old conversion rate, and drop that number by a few points to factor in that you your conversion rate should be a little lower now. [/QUOTE]
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