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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Does anyone use Nandrolone (Deca Durabolin) ?
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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 162739" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>Let's get one thing straight here I am not telling any to use such doses 200+ mg/week!</p><p></p><p>I am simply stating that if ones reason is to use nandrolone for joint pain than 50-100 mg/week is the dose needed.</p><p></p><p>If ones goal is to add muscle tissue than 50-100 mg will result in minimal gains.</p><p></p><p>To notice any sort of modest gains when using nandrolone 200 mg/week would be the minimum dose needed.</p><p></p><p>If we are speaking in terms of newly build proteins as in actin/myosin than 50-100 mg/week of nandrolone would lead to minimal gains.</p><p></p><p>Most that tend to think they are gaining more muscle than they really have on such a low dose would be due to intracellular water stores.</p><p></p><p>As you should know a muscle cell is roughly 75-80 percent water, 15-20 percent proteins, 1 percent glycogen, 1 percent lipids, 1 percent mineral salts.</p><p></p><p>Testosterone/AAS will all increase retention of sodium, chloride, water, potassium, calcium, and inorganic phosphates.....which will lead to increased intracellular water stores in the muscle cell......let alone when using the aromatizing steroids it can lead to high estradiol which in many cases can result in increased retention of extra-cellular water stores (bloat/water retention).</p><p></p><p>Even when looking at AAS that do not aromatize to estrogen such as Winstrol their will be increased intracellular water stores in the muscle cells.</p><p></p><p>You hear it all the time even with men using trt doses of T.....claiming they have put on a fair amount of muscle mass and even though there is an increase in newly built proteins (actin/myosin) if one is strength training and following the proper diet a large part of those gains will be intracellular water stores especially when first starting trt.</p><p></p><p>Add in the fact that some men even on trt doses can also retain a fair amount of extra-cellular water as in bloat/water retention due to high estradiol.</p><p></p><p>Again dose of nandrolone in the 50-100 mg/week range.....dry gains will be minimal.</p><p></p><p>Most that use nandrolone to add any appreciable amount of muscle to their frame are using 200 mg/week minimum and as I stated to truly reap the tissue building benefits of nandrolone one would need to use doses in the 400-600 mg/week range.</p><p></p><p>I will definitely say that in cases where one has a health related issue resulting in muscle wasting than they would benefit from low dose nandrolone to a far greater extend compared to your average joe.</p><p></p><p>I have been in the game along time and had grown up around many friends who have used/abused testosterone/AAS for muscle/strength enhancement let alone some friends who competed in the amateur ranks.</p><p></p><p>Not even your average joe/weekend warrior is using less than 200 mg/week of nandrolone let alone 50-100 mg/week when looking to increase muscle.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You stated.....<strong>"While gains for gains sake may in some cases be pointless,</strong> <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>gains that aid in injury recovery or prevention, or performance in a otherwise healthy sport are IMO not pointless"</strong></span></p><p></p><p>Agree 100%</p><p></p><p>You are still overlooking the point when I stated in my previous post 50-100 mg/week of nandrolone will result in minimal tissue gains (actin/myosin).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 162739, member: 13851"] Let's get one thing straight here I am not telling any to use such doses 200+ mg/week! I am simply stating that if ones reason is to use nandrolone for joint pain than 50-100 mg/week is the dose needed. If ones goal is to add muscle tissue than 50-100 mg will result in minimal gains. To notice any sort of modest gains when using nandrolone 200 mg/week would be the minimum dose needed. If we are speaking in terms of newly build proteins as in actin/myosin than 50-100 mg/week of nandrolone would lead to minimal gains. Most that tend to think they are gaining more muscle than they really have on such a low dose would be due to intracellular water stores. As you should know a muscle cell is roughly 75-80 percent water, 15-20 percent proteins, 1 percent glycogen, 1 percent lipids, 1 percent mineral salts. Testosterone/AAS will all increase retention of sodium, chloride, water, potassium, calcium, and inorganic phosphates.....which will lead to increased intracellular water stores in the muscle cell......let alone when using the aromatizing steroids it can lead to high estradiol which in many cases can result in increased retention of extra-cellular water stores (bloat/water retention). Even when looking at AAS that do not aromatize to estrogen such as Winstrol their will be increased intracellular water stores in the muscle cells. You hear it all the time even with men using trt doses of T.....claiming they have put on a fair amount of muscle mass and even though there is an increase in newly built proteins (actin/myosin) if one is strength training and following the proper diet a large part of those gains will be intracellular water stores especially when first starting trt. Add in the fact that some men even on trt doses can also retain a fair amount of extra-cellular water as in bloat/water retention due to high estradiol. Again dose of nandrolone in the 50-100 mg/week range.....dry gains will be minimal. Most that use nandrolone to add any appreciable amount of muscle to their frame are using 200 mg/week minimum and as I stated to truly reap the tissue building benefits of nandrolone one would need to use doses in the 400-600 mg/week range. I will definitely say that in cases where one has a health related issue resulting in muscle wasting than they would benefit from low dose nandrolone to a far greater extend compared to your average joe. I have been in the game along time and had grown up around many friends who have used/abused testosterone/AAS for muscle/strength enhancement let alone some friends who competed in the amateur ranks. Not even your average joe/weekend warrior is using less than 200 mg/week of nandrolone let alone 50-100 mg/week when looking to increase muscle. You stated.....[B]"While gains for gains sake may in some cases be pointless,[/B] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]gains that aid in injury recovery or prevention, or performance in a otherwise healthy sport are IMO not pointless"[/B][/COLOR] Agree 100% You are still overlooking the point when I stated in my previous post 50-100 mg/week of nandrolone will result in minimal tissue gains (actin/myosin). [/QUOTE]
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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
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Does anyone use Nandrolone (Deca Durabolin) ?
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