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Debate - Androgens: Estrogen ratio vs Overall Hormone Levels.
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<blockquote data-quote="JustPanicNoDisco" data-source="post: 202658" data-attributes="member: 42100"><p>I searched here, but I couldn't find any in-depth discussions about this specific issue. If anyone has any literature they would mind sharing on this topic, I would be extremely interested to read it. </p><p></p><p>A couple questions:</p><p></p><p>1) Will you suffer from having too high of hormones, generally, specifically with respect to thyroid hormones, other steroid hormones, thyroid, and potentially other neurotransmitters? For example, if you get your T extremely high but your E2 stays proportional (and you aren't using an AI), how might this affect one physiologically? (I'm aware of the potential cardiovascular risks due to increased RBC count, HCT, etc. I'm not interested in these).</p><p></p><p>2) When it comes to feeling good, how important is T:E2 ratio? I'm pretty lean and aromatize very little. My total T and free T tend to get outside of reference ranges on 140 mg/wk injections (30mg EOD) while my E2 stays well within range. I don't feel good at all at these levels, and I've been steady on them for a couple months now. </p><p></p><p>From what I understand, DHT "opposes" estrogen in some sense (not speaking in scientific terms here, but the balance seems to be important when it comes to developing gyno and other such issues). </p><p></p><p>**Is it possible to experience "low E2" side effects if you have extremely high androgen activity relative to E2, even if E2 is not crashed at all (E2 is moderate, but androgens are extremely high). I'm not asking this specifically to testosterone/DHT but other steroids as well. </p><p></p><p>I had a naturally high T/DHT:E2 ratio (which seemed to cause anxiety, some ED issues, etc.), and I stupidly blamed the E2 for being too high (yes - too much reading broscience on reddit). I decided to try adding oxandrolone and mesterolone/proviron to the mix to see how a higher androgen: estrogen ratio would affect me, and the results were pretty disastrous. I have since stopped running the steroids, yet I'm still experiencing dead libido, weak erections, flat mood, lethargy, and CONSTANT popping and cracking joints.</p><p></p><p>I have been strictly running 140 mg of test E (30mg EOD) for the last 1-2 months, and I haven't seen much improvement in my low E2 symptoms. I have noticed that the use of Cialis made the problems even worse (it's a light AI - can provide study to back it), as did scrotum test cream (hypothetically by raising DHT more and thus further antagonizing estrogen).</p><p></p><p>Thoughts, opinions, and advice all appreciated!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JustPanicNoDisco, post: 202658, member: 42100"] I searched here, but I couldn't find any in-depth discussions about this specific issue. If anyone has any literature they would mind sharing on this topic, I would be extremely interested to read it. A couple questions: 1) Will you suffer from having too high of hormones, generally, specifically with respect to thyroid hormones, other steroid hormones, thyroid, and potentially other neurotransmitters? For example, if you get your T extremely high but your E2 stays proportional (and you aren't using an AI), how might this affect one physiologically? (I'm aware of the potential cardiovascular risks due to increased RBC count, HCT, etc. I'm not interested in these). 2) When it comes to feeling good, how important is T:E2 ratio? I'm pretty lean and aromatize very little. My total T and free T tend to get outside of reference ranges on 140 mg/wk injections (30mg EOD) while my E2 stays well within range. I don't feel good at all at these levels, and I've been steady on them for a couple months now. From what I understand, DHT "opposes" estrogen in some sense (not speaking in scientific terms here, but the balance seems to be important when it comes to developing gyno and other such issues). **Is it possible to experience "low E2" side effects if you have extremely high androgen activity relative to E2, even if E2 is not crashed at all (E2 is moderate, but androgens are extremely high). I'm not asking this specifically to testosterone/DHT but other steroids as well. I had a naturally high T/DHT:E2 ratio (which seemed to cause anxiety, some ED issues, etc.), and I stupidly blamed the E2 for being too high (yes - too much reading broscience on reddit). I decided to try adding oxandrolone and mesterolone/proviron to the mix to see how a higher androgen: estrogen ratio would affect me, and the results were pretty disastrous. I have since stopped running the steroids, yet I'm still experiencing dead libido, weak erections, flat mood, lethargy, and CONSTANT popping and cracking joints. I have been strictly running 140 mg of test E (30mg EOD) for the last 1-2 months, and I haven't seen much improvement in my low E2 symptoms. I have noticed that the use of Cialis made the problems even worse (it's a light AI - can provide study to back it), as did scrotum test cream (hypothetically by raising DHT more and thus further antagonizing estrogen). Thoughts, opinions, and advice all appreciated! [/QUOTE]
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