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Clomid for PCT, fertility or low T
Clomid Raised T but Estradiol Too High
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<blockquote data-quote="Vince9272" data-source="post: 93418" data-attributes="member: 14377"><p>The "little girl" symptom has been written about extensively in PCT/bodybuilding forums and is usually attributed to high E2. The "easily pissed off" symptom could be argued is the higher testosterone and/or higher E2 together but when I was younger and my testosterone was in the 600 range I didn't feel like that which leads me to believe E2 is involved some way. Although Clomid has sides I don't think these are from Clomid per se but symptoms of the higher T and/or E2.</p><p></p><p>Also my T/E ratio, 600/40 = 15 but my understanding is the ratio should be higher, around 30. Also I've read on many PCT/bodybuilding forums that E2 should not be over 20 to 30 pg/dl (i think units are right) or you'll have problems some of which are included above. Also apparently too much E2 can hurt ED not help it.</p><p></p><p>I'm gonna try a low dose AI and see if that helps. I've read that even people on exogenous testosterone and/or HCG have the same problem, i.e. when their testosterone is restored to a decent level, e.g. 600 their E2 increases too much and they have to take an AI to control it so whether Clomid, HCG, exogenous testosterone, may be a common problem.</p><p></p><p>I'm also about 15 lbs overweight but I don't think 15 lbs would cause that much of an E2 increase. </p><p></p><p>Also I'm looking at this from a "PCT" perspective in that although my hypogonadism was due to a medical issue which has been fixed and I may at some point, just like someone going through PCT, not have to take anything at all, i.e. my hypothalamus and pituitary may realign. We know it occurs with PCT. Apparently the longer the cycle the longer the PCT so in my case it could take a while, several months or longer if it happens at all. Every couple of months I'll cycle off Clomid and see what happens. Even though the testicles can produce increased testosterone apparently they have to be exposed to the increased LH for a certain period of time before that realignment will occur.</p><p></p><p>Also because I'm not taking a huge amount of Clomid I may be closer to that threshold than say someone taking 25 mg of Clomid. I also think Clomid prescriptions may be written at doses higher than necessary. Keep in mind most Urologists have little experience with Clomid. My last prescription was written at 50 mg a day only because it comes in 50 mg tablets. Unfortunately you more or less have to tell the Urologist how to write the prescription. But having more on hand is OK in the event you lose some, etc. I have a feeling that many men may be taking too much Clomid and could probably receive the same benefit from a lower dose and a lower dose means less sides and cost.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vince9272, post: 93418, member: 14377"] The "little girl" symptom has been written about extensively in PCT/bodybuilding forums and is usually attributed to high E2. The "easily pissed off" symptom could be argued is the higher testosterone and/or higher E2 together but when I was younger and my testosterone was in the 600 range I didn't feel like that which leads me to believe E2 is involved some way. Although Clomid has sides I don't think these are from Clomid per se but symptoms of the higher T and/or E2. Also my T/E ratio, 600/40 = 15 but my understanding is the ratio should be higher, around 30. Also I've read on many PCT/bodybuilding forums that E2 should not be over 20 to 30 pg/dl (i think units are right) or you'll have problems some of which are included above. Also apparently too much E2 can hurt ED not help it. I'm gonna try a low dose AI and see if that helps. I've read that even people on exogenous testosterone and/or HCG have the same problem, i.e. when their testosterone is restored to a decent level, e.g. 600 their E2 increases too much and they have to take an AI to control it so whether Clomid, HCG, exogenous testosterone, may be a common problem. I'm also about 15 lbs overweight but I don't think 15 lbs would cause that much of an E2 increase. Also I'm looking at this from a "PCT" perspective in that although my hypogonadism was due to a medical issue which has been fixed and I may at some point, just like someone going through PCT, not have to take anything at all, i.e. my hypothalamus and pituitary may realign. We know it occurs with PCT. Apparently the longer the cycle the longer the PCT so in my case it could take a while, several months or longer if it happens at all. Every couple of months I'll cycle off Clomid and see what happens. Even though the testicles can produce increased testosterone apparently they have to be exposed to the increased LH for a certain period of time before that realignment will occur. Also because I'm not taking a huge amount of Clomid I may be closer to that threshold than say someone taking 25 mg of Clomid. I also think Clomid prescriptions may be written at doses higher than necessary. Keep in mind most Urologists have little experience with Clomid. My last prescription was written at 50 mg a day only because it comes in 50 mg tablets. Unfortunately you more or less have to tell the Urologist how to write the prescription. But having more on hand is OK in the event you lose some, etc. I have a feeling that many men may be taking too much Clomid and could probably receive the same benefit from a lower dose and a lower dose means less sides and cost. [/QUOTE]
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