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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Testosterone Basics & Questions
Are there people that get on TRT and have no or very few side effects?
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<blockquote data-quote="DragonBits" data-source="post: 243582" data-attributes="member: 18023"><p>A lot of good comments already, I will try not to just repeat what others have said. I have been on TRT for 12 years.</p><p></p><p>No side effects, a lot of positives. My total T was actually higher than yours, about 350 ng/dl, though my SHBG is usually around 48 (19.3-76.4)</p><p></p><p>Typically men will get a 7-10% rise in HCT, but since mine was ~42 (37.5-51) when I started, going to ~46 (highest I have ever seen it was 48), it has not been a problem. The rise in HCT is a good thing as long as it doesn't get out of range. Your HCT at 44 is not very likely to go over 51. </p><p></p><p>IMO the rise in HCT is increased by frequent sharp spikes and drops in total testosterone. This opinion is based on tables that show how some different T esters are likely to cause a big rise in HCT.</p><p></p><p>In my case, I started with Nebido, (testosterone undecanoate) which gives a sharp rise once every 3 months. Those doing testos C report that more frequent injections like eod or twice a week results in a less side effects. My guess is because the spikes up and down are not as large though more frequent. </p><p></p><p>Like you, I want low maintenance. testosterone undecanoate is injected every 10-14 weeks and it tends to be the ester that effects HCT the least. Nebido is available in Canada. The only negative is that it's harder to self inject in the glute, and in the US I have to import it. </p><p></p><p>Natesto appears to be even better at low side effects, but you have to use it 2-3 times a day, and without insurance it is too expensive. </p><p></p><p>Before you start TRT, there are a typical range of blood tests you should get. </p><p></p><p>I would add a full iron panel. TRT tends to use more iron and a lot of men report that their ferritin levels get too low.</p><p></p><p>Since I have been on TRT for 12 years, 58>70 age, at age 70 it's difficult to determine what effect TRT has Vs just getting older. My blood pressure was perfect for the first 9 years, psa maybe went up ~20%, now it's harder to keep BP in range and PSA started to go up a few years ago, due to increase prostate size, though no bad effects. (no drugs, but I do take GABA which for me lowers BP).</p><p></p><p>A few years back, I tried creams / testosterone cypionate, they both worked. I did this as a fall back if testosterone undecanoate became too difficult to acquire. If i had to quit testos-u, i would go to testos-cypionate 3 times a week.</p><p></p><p>Your doc prescribed 130 test enanthate 1 a week. If you are self injecting, I would just inject less more often ending up with excess enanthate, which for a while I would accumulate. You can use this to increase if you feel necessary. Also I would ask about Nebido just to see if the doc would prescribe and insurance would cover it. IMO cypionate or enanthate would work OK for me, but it's just more hassle and more expense, so I am not adamant about only using nebido. </p><p></p><p>If in 6+ months you decide TRT is not for you, I didn't have a hard time quitting (about 5 years ago for 1 year to increase sperm count). I don't know the stats, but the vast majority of men can quit TRT, their levels will fall back, for a short time your level may even go lower than what you started at before you start again producing your own natural T. </p><p></p><p>I started to go bald at age 35, mostly bald before I started TRT. so I have no opinion about that.</p><p></p><p>BTW, I think you are doing fantastic considering your total T is pretty low.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DragonBits, post: 243582, member: 18023"] A lot of good comments already, I will try not to just repeat what others have said. I have been on TRT for 12 years. No side effects, a lot of positives. My total T was actually higher than yours, about 350 ng/dl, though my SHBG is usually around 48 (19.3-76.4) Typically men will get a 7-10% rise in HCT, but since mine was ~42 (37.5-51) when I started, going to ~46 (highest I have ever seen it was 48), it has not been a problem. The rise in HCT is a good thing as long as it doesn't get out of range. Your HCT at 44 is not very likely to go over 51. IMO the rise in HCT is increased by frequent sharp spikes and drops in total testosterone. This opinion is based on tables that show how some different T esters are likely to cause a big rise in HCT. In my case, I started with Nebido, (testosterone undecanoate) which gives a sharp rise once every 3 months. Those doing testos C report that more frequent injections like eod or twice a week results in a less side effects. My guess is because the spikes up and down are not as large though more frequent. Like you, I want low maintenance. testosterone undecanoate is injected every 10-14 weeks and it tends to be the ester that effects HCT the least. Nebido is available in Canada. The only negative is that it's harder to self inject in the glute, and in the US I have to import it. Natesto appears to be even better at low side effects, but you have to use it 2-3 times a day, and without insurance it is too expensive. Before you start TRT, there are a typical range of blood tests you should get. I would add a full iron panel. TRT tends to use more iron and a lot of men report that their ferritin levels get too low. Since I have been on TRT for 12 years, 58>70 age, at age 70 it's difficult to determine what effect TRT has Vs just getting older. My blood pressure was perfect for the first 9 years, psa maybe went up ~20%, now it's harder to keep BP in range and PSA started to go up a few years ago, due to increase prostate size, though no bad effects. (no drugs, but I do take GABA which for me lowers BP). A few years back, I tried creams / testosterone cypionate, they both worked. I did this as a fall back if testosterone undecanoate became too difficult to acquire. If i had to quit testos-u, i would go to testos-cypionate 3 times a week. Your doc prescribed 130 test enanthate 1 a week. If you are self injecting, I would just inject less more often ending up with excess enanthate, which for a while I would accumulate. You can use this to increase if you feel necessary. Also I would ask about Nebido just to see if the doc would prescribe and insurance would cover it. IMO cypionate or enanthate would work OK for me, but it's just more hassle and more expense, so I am not adamant about only using nebido. If in 6+ months you decide TRT is not for you, I didn't have a hard time quitting (about 5 years ago for 1 year to increase sperm count). I don't know the stats, but the vast majority of men can quit TRT, their levels will fall back, for a short time your level may even go lower than what you started at before you start again producing your own natural T. I started to go bald at age 35, mostly bald before I started TRT. so I have no opinion about that. BTW, I think you are doing fantastic considering your total T is pretty low. [/QUOTE]
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