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In my opinion there are two reasons. First, he hasn't provided labs for us to look at to determine why he might need HCG. Second, he hasn't been on TRT long enough or reached the level he needs to be at. I don't believe anyone should be adding things to TRT until they've reached the level they need to be at and have been there for 3 months. If at that time after that they don't have more stamina and feel more sexual then they should consider adding HCG. And not every man needs HCG. I know Nelson shares these thoughts and has expressed them on a recent post from member Cocarr that you, me, Nelson and a few others commented on. I love the fact that you are pro HCG and applaud every effort you make to promote it. I've read up on it and think it's wonderful and feel like I should be on it myself. The problem is it has this FEMALE FERTILITY DRUG stigma attached to it and it scares doctors off. If Carmine, or anyone else for that matter, asks their doctor about taking it there's a very strong possibility that the doc will refuse the request. I had this experience just last week. On Tuesday I saw my new endocrinologist and was looking forward to talking to her about putting me HCG as I've noticed some testicular shrinkage. After a long conversation about it she gave me a flat out NO. She said I didn't need it and was not interested in reading the Excelmale printout on HCG that I brought with me. What she did do was pull out a long cord with oval shaped balls on it in various sizes. I now refer to this thing as "The String O' Nuts". She asked me to feel these and determine what size my boys (my word, not hers) used to be and what size they are now. Pretty hard to determine when you can't just drop your pants and go for a feel. I did my best and picked the two sizes. She looked at what I chose, rolled her eyes and said "I don't think you have anything to worry about." So I guess the one thing I learned from this visit is that I was once huge and now I'm just normal!