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<blockquote data-quote="TransitPoloce" data-source="post: 59930" data-attributes="member: 14550"><p>@johndoe It's a bit off topic so please excuse the following rant, but it's something I feel strongly about <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p> I guess it's just semantics. Dependence is often the same thing as addiction, but not always. I also don't think most drug addicts should ever go near a rehab for many reasons not relevant to the discussion here.</p><p></p><p>A TRT user is dependent on exogenous testosterone if they want to keep normal healthy Test levels, but they're not physically / psychologically addicted to the substance. </p><p></p><p>There's millions of prescription drug users that don't abuse their medication and are dependent on these drugs to function. They are physically and likely psychologically dependent on the substance. I don't distinguish between them and a drug addict. The intent is irrelevant to how they got there in my opinion. </p><p></p><p>The language around illicit drug use has been so muddied over the years due to failed government policy that anything that even implies illicit/recreational drug use has negative connotations. On top of the puritanical Christian view that anything pleasurable is wicked and we're left with imprecise terms like 'drugs' to describe 1000 different things. </p><p></p><p>A drug addict is associated with a junky lying in a gutter or someone mugging people for their next hit. This is a tiny fraction of what makes up 'drug addicts' in any society. I'd bet most drug addicts are on legitimate Dr Prescribed medication, with normal jobs and no outward signs of drug use.</p><p></p><p>A 60 year old grandmother dependent on her long term Dr. prescribed sleep medication (a drug!) is 100% physically addicted to the substance as much as someone using it recreationally to get high (or maybe just sleep themselves). </p><p>Society just doesn't like to call her a 'drug addict'. What if she enjoys the feeling and increases the dose occasionally without asking her Dr? Is she now a drug addict? The lines can get blurry..</p><p></p><p>What's the difference between an opiate/benzo user on their Dr. prescribed medication - than a self medicating user taking the exact same substance, for the exact same trauma (be it physical or psychological), at the same dose. They will both develop physical dependence to the drug over time, both experience issues with tolerance if they don't increase the dose, and both experience severe withdrawal symptoms if they try and stop suddenly. They are both drug addicts. </p><p></p><p>(Rant over!)</p><p></p><p>-----</p><p></p><p>Re checking with treating doctor:</p><p></p><p>Sadly, asking a Dr. about a proper benzodiazepine taper is like asking a random Dr about an optimal TRT protocol - the average level of advice will range from useless to downright dangerous. In the case of Benzo's it can even be deadly (sudden cessations causes seizures, much like alcohol withdrawal) Yes, Doctor's have given me this advice.</p><p></p><p>I'm more interested if anyone here has dealt with a substance addiction and how it affected their TRT treatment, specifically Benzodiazepines. </p><p>Was TRT helpful? </p><p>Did they wait until getting off of medication before beginning TRT?</p><p>Any common wisdom about combining the two?</p><p></p><p>(Benzoate != benzodiazepine btw)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TransitPoloce, post: 59930, member: 14550"] @johndoe It's a bit off topic so please excuse the following rant, but it's something I feel strongly about :D I guess it's just semantics. Dependence is often the same thing as addiction, but not always. I also don't think most drug addicts should ever go near a rehab for many reasons not relevant to the discussion here. A TRT user is dependent on exogenous testosterone if they want to keep normal healthy Test levels, but they're not physically / psychologically addicted to the substance. There's millions of prescription drug users that don't abuse their medication and are dependent on these drugs to function. They are physically and likely psychologically dependent on the substance. I don't distinguish between them and a drug addict. The intent is irrelevant to how they got there in my opinion. The language around illicit drug use has been so muddied over the years due to failed government policy that anything that even implies illicit/recreational drug use has negative connotations. On top of the puritanical Christian view that anything pleasurable is wicked and we're left with imprecise terms like 'drugs' to describe 1000 different things. A drug addict is associated with a junky lying in a gutter or someone mugging people for their next hit. This is a tiny fraction of what makes up 'drug addicts' in any society. I'd bet most drug addicts are on legitimate Dr Prescribed medication, with normal jobs and no outward signs of drug use. A 60 year old grandmother dependent on her long term Dr. prescribed sleep medication (a drug!) is 100% physically addicted to the substance as much as someone using it recreationally to get high (or maybe just sleep themselves). Society just doesn't like to call her a 'drug addict'. What if she enjoys the feeling and increases the dose occasionally without asking her Dr? Is she now a drug addict? The lines can get blurry.. What's the difference between an opiate/benzo user on their Dr. prescribed medication - than a self medicating user taking the exact same substance, for the exact same trauma (be it physical or psychological), at the same dose. They will both develop physical dependence to the drug over time, both experience issues with tolerance if they don't increase the dose, and both experience severe withdrawal symptoms if they try and stop suddenly. They are both drug addicts. (Rant over!) ----- Re checking with treating doctor: Sadly, asking a Dr. about a proper benzodiazepine taper is like asking a random Dr about an optimal TRT protocol - the average level of advice will range from useless to downright dangerous. In the case of Benzo's it can even be deadly (sudden cessations causes seizures, much like alcohol withdrawal) Yes, Doctor's have given me this advice. I'm more interested if anyone here has dealt with a substance addiction and how it affected their TRT treatment, specifically Benzodiazepines. Was TRT helpful? Did they wait until getting off of medication before beginning TRT? Any common wisdom about combining the two? (Benzoate != benzodiazepine btw) [/QUOTE]
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