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6 months on TRT - No improvement??
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<blockquote data-quote="workoutguy123" data-source="post: 178114" data-attributes="member: 38576"><p>Labs from 11/12/19 ***Labs from LABCORP***</p><p>Total Test - 623.6 (264-916 ng/dL)</p><p>Free Test - 7.5 (8.7-25.1pg/mL)</p><p>Estadiol sensitive 7.9(8.0 - 35.0)</p><p>SHBG 91.1 (16.5 - 55.9)</p><p>Free T3 - 2.4 (2.2-4.4)</p><p></p><p>Labs from 3/24/20 ***Labs from Quest Labs***</p><p>Total Test - 1322 (264-916 ng/dL)</p><p>Free Test - 101.7 (110-224 pg/mL)</p><p>Bioavailable test - 209.2 (110-575 ng/dl)</p><p>Estadiol sensitive 36 (8.0 - 35.0)</p><p>SHBG - 74</p><p>T4 free - 0.8 (0.8-1.8)</p><p>T3 free 0 3.0 (2.2-4.4)</p><p></p><p>So quick things that jump out:</p><p></p><p>-Testosterone improvement is large</p><p>- Estadiol went from too low to bordering too high? Though I've been told it's not a concern considering the test/estrogen ratio.</p><p>- SHBG lower, but still quite high.</p><p>- Thyroid not quite optimal</p><p></p><p>Overall, I'd say the labs improved considerably. I've now been on TRT for 6 months. However, I have not felt ANY noticeable improvement. Maybe subtle changes, but I would consider them so small, it's like placebo. Libido still bad, weight still not moving even with training 6x per week and very calculated diet, sleep is bad without supplementation. Maybe a slight increase in energy, but that was more induced by an increase of my thyroid meds, about a month ago. </p><p></p><p>My protocol has been tweeked in this 6 month period. It began as:</p><p></p><p>.8 mlTestosterone cyp 2x per WEEKLY - .4ml 2x per week + 400IU HCG 2x per week (800IU total)</p><p>2 grains armour + 30mcg cytomel daily.</p><p>(this was my protocol was about 4-5 months)</p><p></p><p>My protocol the last month or two:</p><p>1ml Testosterone cyp WEEKLY- Daily injections .15ml 6x per week, .10ml 1x per week + HCG stopped</p><p>2.5 grains armour + 50mcg cytomel daily</p><p></p><p>With both protocols I take a handful of other things likeVitamin D, K, Selenium, Boron, Fish oil,DHEA, and ZMA (seriously, a handful)</p><p></p><p>My questions are why am I not seeing dramatic improvement? All the timelines suggest that 6 months in I should be seeing a ton of noticeable benefits. I train 6x per week, my diet is very calculated. While I'm not overweight (~13% BF), I seem unable to get my weight lower (I used to always remain 10% or slightly lower) with dialed in diet/training. It seems like my doctors don't have much to suggest to me, so I'm looking for more insight and advice. All help is appreciated.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="workoutguy123, post: 178114, member: 38576"] Labs from 11/12/19 ***Labs from LABCORP*** Total Test - 623.6 (264-916 ng/dL) Free Test - 7.5 (8.7-25.1pg/mL) Estadiol sensitive 7.9(8.0 - 35.0) SHBG 91.1 (16.5 - 55.9) Free T3 - 2.4 (2.2-4.4) Labs from 3/24/20 ***Labs from Quest Labs*** Total Test - 1322 (264-916 ng/dL) Free Test - 101.7 (110-224 pg/mL) Bioavailable test - 209.2 (110-575 ng/dl) Estadiol sensitive 36 (8.0 - 35.0) SHBG - 74 T4 free - 0.8 (0.8-1.8) T3 free 0 3.0 (2.2-4.4) So quick things that jump out: -Testosterone improvement is large - Estadiol went from too low to bordering too high? Though I've been told it's not a concern considering the test/estrogen ratio. - SHBG lower, but still quite high. - Thyroid not quite optimal Overall, I'd say the labs improved considerably. I've now been on TRT for 6 months. However, I have not felt ANY noticeable improvement. Maybe subtle changes, but I would consider them so small, it's like placebo. Libido still bad, weight still not moving even with training 6x per week and very calculated diet, sleep is bad without supplementation. Maybe a slight increase in energy, but that was more induced by an increase of my thyroid meds, about a month ago. My protocol has been tweeked in this 6 month period. It began as: .8 mlTestosterone cyp 2x per WEEKLY - .4ml 2x per week + 400IU HCG 2x per week (800IU total) 2 grains armour + 30mcg cytomel daily. (this was my protocol was about 4-5 months) My protocol the last month or two: 1ml Testosterone cyp WEEKLY- Daily injections .15ml 6x per week, .10ml 1x per week + HCG stopped 2.5 grains armour + 50mcg cytomel daily With both protocols I take a handful of other things likeVitamin D, K, Selenium, Boron, Fish oil,DHEA, and ZMA (seriously, a handful) My questions are why am I not seeing dramatic improvement? All the timelines suggest that 6 months in I should be seeing a ton of noticeable benefits. I train 6x per week, my diet is very calculated. While I'm not overweight (~13% BF), I seem unable to get my weight lower (I used to always remain 10% or slightly lower) with dialed in diet/training. It seems like my doctors don't have much to suggest to me, so I'm looking for more insight and advice. All help is appreciated. [/QUOTE]
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