2 years in and the magic is gone

[Jntsrgn]

I began pellets when I started having some ED issues with a baseline T of 350. During the first 2 cycles of pellets which went 4 months each, I felt like a superhero. I put on 20 pounds of lean muscle and could not be fatigued despite multiple workouts in the same day. Sex was to the point where my fiancé would beg me to just stop. I really thought I had found the fountain of youth. Cycle 3 and 4 of pellets were a let down as I started feeling fatigue and aches. I took matters into my own hands and stopped pellets which were also a cosmetic disaster and my nuts had shriveled. I am now on Test Cyp 60mg MWF and HCG 500 IU MWF. I take 0.5 Anastrazole once per week, Armour thyroid QD, Cialis 2.5mg QD, DHEA 50mg QD and the B vits. Nuts are back full with a normal sperm count.

Most recent labs:

Total T: 1814
Free T: 37.2
DHT: 115
DHEA: 592
Prolactin: 11.2
PSA: 1.5
IGF-1: 212
Est Sen: 55.2
SHBG: 37.4
TSH: 1.060
T3: 3.8
T4: 1.09

CBC and metabolic panel with lipids is perfect.

So why do I feel like shit? I think about sex all the time but the stamina is terrible and without Cialis I can't perform. Plus, were one 2.5mg Cialis would once give me rigid wood on demand for 3 days, I now need it daily. I have aches regularly and struggle at the gym. Sleep is dysfunctional at best.

I feel like a slave to TRT. I almost consider tapering off everything and gong back to my pre-TRT life.

 

[bixt]

You are taking care of everything...but are ignoring your neurotransmitters. Im fairly certain you have decreased dopamine receptor density, decreased dopamine receptor sensitivity and maybe decreased dopamine itself. You fried the receptors by taking full advantage of the initial libido boost and overstimulating the brain pleasure centres with too much sex and too many orgasms in too short of a space of time. Now you will feel a decreased interest in everything and low motivational drive which is probably worse than pre TRT. Same as post recreational drug "come down".

Wait it out roughly 2 weeks, abstain from all sex\porn\masturbation during that time, your brain will rebalance itself.

 

[Cataceous]

Count me as a skeptic of the "too much sex" hypothesis, though no harm in trying a break. But I do wonder about the long-term effects of having testosterone at probably double a normal level.

 

[Vince Carter]

relative to your injections when was your blood drawn? I can tell that you did it wrong with how high your numbers are, not in the trough.

 

[Tokumei]

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I began pellets when I started having some ED issues with a baseline T of 350. During the first 2 cycles of pellets which went 4 months each, I felt like a superhero. I put on 20 pounds of lean muscle and could not be fatigued despite multiple workouts in the same day. Sex was to the point where my fiancé would beg me to just stop. I really thought I had found the fountain of youth. Cycle 3 and 4 of pellets were a let down as I started feeling fatigue and aches. I took matters into my own hands and stopped pellets which were also a cosmetic disaster and my nuts had shriveled. I am now on Test Cyp 60mg MWF and HCG 500 IU MWF. I take 0.5 Anastrazole once per week, Armour thyroid QD, Cialis 2.5mg QD, DHEA 50mg QD and the B vits. Nuts are back full with a normal sperm count.

Most recent labs:

Total T: 1814
Free T: 37.2
DHT: 115
DHEA: 592
Prolactin: 11.2
PSA: 1.5
IGF-1: 212
Est Sen: 55.2
SHBG: 37.4
TSH: 1.060
T3: 3.8
T4: 1.09

CBC and metabolic panel with lipids is perfect.

So why do I feel like shit? I think about sex all the time but the stamina is terrible and without Cialis I can't perform. Plus, were one 2.5mg Cialis would once give me rigid wood on demand for 3 days, I now need it daily. I have aches regularly and struggle at the gym. Sleep is dysfunctional at best.

I feel like a slave to TRT. I almost consider tapering off everything and gong back to my pre-TRT life.

Estrogen is crushed.

 

[Jntsrgn]

relative to your injections when was your blood drawn? I can tell that you did it wrong with how high your numbers are, not in the trough.

Labs were drawn on a Tuesday

 

[Jntsrgn]

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Estrogen is crushed.

At 55.2 how is it crushed?

 

[SilverSurfer]

I start having sexual issues if I’m using too much T. Any time I exceed 150 mgs per week, I start losing morning wood and start experiencing ED. Try dropping your dose from 180 mg to 135 mg or 150 mg.

 

[Vince Carter]

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Estrogen is crushed.

You really need to consider your ability to help guys and probably just refrain from posting because this is the second time in as many days that you're not even close to being helpful here.

 

[Vince Carter]

Labs were drawn on a Tuesday

Which is wrong...you shoot on M/W/F your labs should be taken one of those mornings.

 

[Jntsrgn]

Which is wrong...you shoot on M/W/F your labs should be taken one of those mornings.

You think there is that much variability given the half life and frequency of administration?

 

[Tokumei]

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At 55.2 how is it crushed?

I began pellets when I started having some ED issues with a baseline T of 350. During the first 2 cycles of pellets which went 4 months each, I felt like a superhero. I put on 20 pounds of lean muscle and could not be fatigued despite multiple workouts in the same day. Sex was to the point where my fiancé would beg me to just stop. I really thought I had found the fountain of youth. Cycle 3 and 4 of pellets were a let down as I started feeling fatigue and aches. I took matters into my own hands and stopped pellets which were also a cosmetic disaster and my nuts had shriveled. I am now on Test Cyp 60mg MWF and HCG 500 IU MWF. I take 0.5 Anastrazole once per week, Armour thyroid QD, Cialis 2.5mg QD, DHEA 50mg QD and the B vits. Nuts are back full with a normal sperm count.

Most recent labs:

Total T: 1814
Free T: 37.2
DHT: 115
DHEA: 592
Prolactin: 11.2
PSA: 1.5
IGF-1: 212
Est Sen: 55.2
SHBG: 37.4
TSH: 1.060
T3: 3.8
T4: 1.09

CBC and metabolic panel with lipids is perfect.

So why do I feel like shit? I think about sex all the time but the stamina is terrible and without Cialis I can't perform. Plus, were one 2.5mg Cialis would once give me rigid wood on demand for 3 days, I now need it daily. I have aches regularly and struggle at the gym. Sleep is dysfunctional at best.

I feel like a slave to TRT. I almost consider tapering off everything and gong back to my pre-TRT life.

Total and free testosterone are about 4x above a normal natural level. Estrogen is within an acceptable range for a natural and that is with the sensitive test.

 

[Tokumei]

You think there is that much variability given the half life and frequency of administration?

No. It doesnt matter when you test if injecting basically eod. Levels should not fluctuate much at all.

 

[DixieWrecked]

You're taking a lot of medication: DHEA. Thyroid. Test. AI. HCG. Very possible you are overmedicated. When I bailed on the Thyroid treatment, DHEA, and AI and lowered my test dose, my T levels actually went up. My estrogen went down. And I felt the best I've ever felt. I feel great on just test + HCG.

What's your thyroid numbers before treatment? Where is your RT3 now? Lowering your T dose will help your Estrodial and may help to avoid another medication (ai).

 

[Jntsrgn]

I have considered that. I'm going to back down my Test to 40mg MWF and stop the AI then recheck labs in 3 months.

 

[Tokumei]

I have considered that. I'm going to back down my Test to 40mg MWF and stop the AI then recheck labs in 3 months.

Excellent plan. You might want to consider dropping the hcg too, that is complicating things also. It is really only a periodic thing to keep your balls alive. Work out your t only protocol first.

 

[Jntsrgn]

Excellent plan. You might want to consider dropping the hcg too, that is complicating things also. It is really only a periodic thing to keep your balls alive. Work out your t only protocol first.

Without HCG I had shriveled balls and was azoospermic. There is no good guidance on frequency or dosing of HCG for "maintenance". Stopping completely seems ill advised.

 

[Tokumei]

Without HCG I had shriveled balls and was azoospermic. There is no good guidance on frequency or dosing of HCG for "maintenance". Stopping completely seems ill advised.

No shit. Your on trt. Balls shrinking and reduced semen volume is to be expected. Go ahead and continue the hcg then. Good luck dialling in.

 

[Gman86]

You're taking a lot of medication: DHEA. Thyroid. Test. AI. HCG. Very possible you are overmedicated. When I bailed on the Thyroid treatment, DHEA, and AI and lowered my test dose, my T levels actually went up. My estrogen went down. And I felt the best I've ever felt. I feel great on just test + HCG.

What's your thyroid numbers before treatment? Where is your RT3 now? Lowering your T dose will help your Estrodial and may help to avoid another medication (ai).

Whats your current protocol, if you don’t mind me asking?

 

[DixieWrecked]

Whats your current protocol, if you don’t mind me asking?

EOD I take 40mg TC and 400iu HCG
ED: 1mg iodine. 200mg selenium. 15mg Zinc. 400mg Magnesium glycinate. Fish oil.

Just had my blood taken on Monday so I can get you some numbers in a few days