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I might have been able to work with Prop if it had any upside for me but it was straight neutral or negative, just couldn't use it. What it was like now that I'm remembering was like when I messed with the GH secreatagogues like GHRP2/6 or 1295 w/o. We thought a IGF spike with the Prop as was the same reason and symptom I stopped messing with those, too.