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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 140500" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>Feeling better as in how....your going to tell me one needs to run levels that high in order to experience relief/improvement of low t symptoms such as more energy, positive effects on mood, healthy libido and erectile function along with descent body composition changes?</p><p></p><p>I call bulls**t.....and again sure if one has very high SHBG or possible AR resistance (older men or former steroid abusers) they will likely need to run a very high TT in order to achieve a healthy FT but do understand that there is a large percentage of men without the above issues that are on trt and would never need to run levels this high.</p><p></p><p>A large percentage of men do extremely well and achieve a healthy FT whether running TT in the 600-800 ng/dL range or 1000+ range.</p><p></p><p>We are talking replacement here and the line becomes blurred when one starts using the I feel better or I feel best as one can feel good on 200 mg/week.....than all of a sudden it is 300 mg/week.....and so on.</p><p></p><p>How high of levels do you really think one would want to run if they had absolutely no interest in lifting weights in order to gain muscle.....not too many I bet.</p><p></p><p>Higher T levels above a point does not equate to more energy/better mood/ stronger libido/better erectile function.....now if we are talking better gains in muscle/strength and enhanced recovery than higher T levels are needed!</p><p></p><p>No one is saying that there is anything wrong with running levels slightly higher above the physiological range and in some cases such as possible AR resistance or high SHBG than one may need to run levels even higher but levels at 2000+ are not needed in any way to feel optimal.</p><p></p><p>If you barely noticed any major difference in gains from 1100-1800 is because levels would need to be higher before big improvements are noticed and even with the proper diet/training protocol.....ones genetics plays a huge role and will have the final say on how well you respond.</p><p></p><p>A large percentage of men on trt use 100-150 mg/week and do extremely well.....sure some may be using 200 mg/week but highly doubtful most would need to run higher doses than this.</p><p></p><p>250 mg/week would be a low steroid dose and when one is looking to solely improve muscle mass/strength than the 250-500 mg/week range is what would be needed and even than gains would be better on the higher end.</p><p></p><p>I have many friends I grew up around that did extremely well using 250 mg/week of test only when they first started cycling.</p><p></p><p>The internet is littered with all the steroid forums and most push that a starting dose is 500 mg/week of test which is laughable as anyone that knows if one has good genetics and their diet/training is on point than they can grow extremely well on a 250 mg/week test only cycle.</p><p></p><p>Than you have the idiots that do not even compete.....you know the average gym rat that uses 600+ mg/week or god forbid the 1 gram a week in order to make gains when in fact they were cursed with shit genetics.</p><p></p><p>Many of the pros back in the 60-70s did well using 200-400 mg/week of test along with reasonable doses of deca and d-bol.</p><p></p><p>Again I have no issue if one wants to run high levels barring blood work is healthy and they are not experiencing any negative side effects but what gets me heated is when one goes on to say that very high levels of T are always better or needed in order to truly benefit from trt.</p><p></p><p>It's a f***ing joke!</p><p></p><p>There is such a thing as threshold regarding testosterone and AR saturation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 140500, member: 13851"] Feeling better as in how....your going to tell me one needs to run levels that high in order to experience relief/improvement of low t symptoms such as more energy, positive effects on mood, healthy libido and erectile function along with descent body composition changes? I call bulls**t.....and again sure if one has very high SHBG or possible AR resistance (older men or former steroid abusers) they will likely need to run a very high TT in order to achieve a healthy FT but do understand that there is a large percentage of men without the above issues that are on trt and would never need to run levels this high. A large percentage of men do extremely well and achieve a healthy FT whether running TT in the 600-800 ng/dL range or 1000+ range. We are talking replacement here and the line becomes blurred when one starts using the I feel better or I feel best as one can feel good on 200 mg/week.....than all of a sudden it is 300 mg/week.....and so on. How high of levels do you really think one would want to run if they had absolutely no interest in lifting weights in order to gain muscle.....not too many I bet. Higher T levels above a point does not equate to more energy/better mood/ stronger libido/better erectile function.....now if we are talking better gains in muscle/strength and enhanced recovery than higher T levels are needed! No one is saying that there is anything wrong with running levels slightly higher above the physiological range and in some cases such as possible AR resistance or high SHBG than one may need to run levels even higher but levels at 2000+ are not needed in any way to feel optimal. If you barely noticed any major difference in gains from 1100-1800 is because levels would need to be higher before big improvements are noticed and even with the proper diet/training protocol.....ones genetics plays a huge role and will have the final say on how well you respond. A large percentage of men on trt use 100-150 mg/week and do extremely well.....sure some may be using 200 mg/week but highly doubtful most would need to run higher doses than this. 250 mg/week would be a low steroid dose and when one is looking to solely improve muscle mass/strength than the 250-500 mg/week range is what would be needed and even than gains would be better on the higher end. I have many friends I grew up around that did extremely well using 250 mg/week of test only when they first started cycling. The internet is littered with all the steroid forums and most push that a starting dose is 500 mg/week of test which is laughable as anyone that knows if one has good genetics and their diet/training is on point than they can grow extremely well on a 250 mg/week test only cycle. Than you have the idiots that do not even compete.....you know the average gym rat that uses 600+ mg/week or god forbid the 1 gram a week in order to make gains when in fact they were cursed with shit genetics. Many of the pros back in the 60-70s did well using 200-400 mg/week of test along with reasonable doses of deca and d-bol. Again I have no issue if one wants to run high levels barring blood work is healthy and they are not experiencing any negative side effects but what gets me heated is when one goes on to say that very high levels of T are always better or needed in order to truly benefit from trt. It's a f***ing joke! There is such a thing as threshold regarding testosterone and AR saturation. [/QUOTE]
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