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<blockquote data-quote="user_joe" data-source="post: 140493" data-attributes="member: 13107"><p>Again I disagree that this is a settled fact. If you feel even better at 2000 TT you feel better. Simple as that. That’s a benefit. Whether or not that’s the healthiest choice again just hasn’t been settled. </p><p></p><p>We have some evidence that the higher estradiol levels that come with the higher TT provide health benefits above and beyond someone taking a lower dose. </p><p></p><p>I don’t even notice better recovery or gains from lifting since my TT went from about 1100 to 1800. I still get sore just as much, and gains I make are slow and more related to training and calories when I look back. Didn’t correlate to raising the dose. </p><p></p><p>These lab ranges are constantly decreasing and just tell you what’s out there in people. Unhealthy and obese included. I’ve got no desire to replicate their hormones. You’ve already hacked the hpta. The hell with anything below optimizing. I’ll start lowering my dose when I see something in blood work or symptoms that indicates it’s a good idea. I just had this discussion with my dr. We are in agreement. </p><p></p><p>One last note. Measuring only at trough is good for making sure you don’t have a consistently bad day every week on a regimen. Using those lab numbers to determine if your T or E is too high or whatever when injecting ever few days is stupid imo. For example my TT was 1200 trough when injecting e3.5 days. People on here will say that’s reasonable. Same dose done daily came in over 1600. Surely we can all use excel and do math? The average amount of test in the body is the same. Makes zero sense to me to consider anything other than symptoms in this scenario.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="user_joe, post: 140493, member: 13107"] Again I disagree that this is a settled fact. If you feel even better at 2000 TT you feel better. Simple as that. That’s a benefit. Whether or not that’s the healthiest choice again just hasn’t been settled. We have some evidence that the higher estradiol levels that come with the higher TT provide health benefits above and beyond someone taking a lower dose. I don’t even notice better recovery or gains from lifting since my TT went from about 1100 to 1800. I still get sore just as much, and gains I make are slow and more related to training and calories when I look back. Didn’t correlate to raising the dose. These lab ranges are constantly decreasing and just tell you what’s out there in people. Unhealthy and obese included. I’ve got no desire to replicate their hormones. You’ve already hacked the hpta. The hell with anything below optimizing. I’ll start lowering my dose when I see something in blood work or symptoms that indicates it’s a good idea. I just had this discussion with my dr. We are in agreement. One last note. Measuring only at trough is good for making sure you don’t have a consistently bad day every week on a regimen. Using those lab numbers to determine if your T or E is too high or whatever when injecting ever few days is stupid imo. For example my TT was 1200 trough when injecting e3.5 days. People on here will say that’s reasonable. Same dose done daily came in over 1600. Surely we can all use excel and do math? The average amount of test in the body is the same. Makes zero sense to me to consider anything other than symptoms in this scenario. [/QUOTE]
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