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Yes. It was with 15mg test prop a day

So I ended up taking 5mg of Tren Ace a day for about 10 days. It's not for me. The stuff makes me pissed off. My patience is gone and I don't want to live constantly having to manage my anger. I can see how Tren could be a life wrecker. I cannot imagine trying it at like 300mg of enanthate...

It looks promising. I went ahead and ordered some. I'll be able to provide a report for the forum once I get it.

I would be interested to see how prop EOD works for you. It would be pretty wild swings but you may do well with that. If you could do it for the good of the forum it won't take you long to figure out how it feels.

Why would you make such an odd change to your protocol? Just lower your dose. Thats what your data is telling you to do. You could cut it in half and still be at the top of the range. I like prop because I know what to do much faster. Prop has less sides too which you experience personally...

Those numbers are most likely accurate. At one point I was taking 30mg prop a day and I measured at trough. Numbers were through the roof like yours. Its a different beast than cyp.

I believe you could be right. Just need to monitor health markers. I may be able to contribute to this thread sooner than later. I have labs coming up and I might see what the impact of Tren is. Very low dose, around 5mg of ace a week.

I've actually been a little curious about this but I was always afraid to go down the tren route because it has such a horrible reputation. I've only dabbled with very low doses for just a few days before I chickened out.

According to the study, it doesnt seem like Tren reduced fat or promoted muscle much more than the control, unless I am reading the graphs wrong....

I wanted to be sure that I understand. Are you saying that highE2 caused you to have a higher RT3? Did you feel benefits from T3 alone before stopping or did it stop having a positive effect?

Digging into my initial labs, my T3 was at 3.1. Not much better than it is now. I think I will pivot and focus on my adrenal function. I'll retest cortisol and ACTH like Sparky suggested in about a month once I have given this licorice and Panax Ginseng a trial. I also have cordyceps on hand...

8 am was 10. Noon was 10. 4pm was 2.9. 8pm was 3.1. I'll check out those threads when I get back to my place. Thanks again for the help

I think the NDT is probably raising my RT3. I don't have a baseline because defy prescribed upon my initial consultation based on a tsh around 2.8. so I'm not sure about RT3 with no thyroid meds.

https://www.excelmale.com/threads/help-with-labs-high-rt3.23536/ Here is a thread of me feeling the exact same way 3 years ago. Pretty much the same thyroid numbers. But I wasn't taking any kratom or Lexapro.

Man thank you so much for sharing all this knowledge. Currently I use kratom. Not an insane amount but it gets me going despite the lethargy ive experience for years. Maybe that causes some disruption similar to opioids. I also started 10mg of Lexapro about 3 months ago. Again well after...

So the plot thickens. Looks like my cortisol is kind of messed up. I have attached the labs. Apparently low cortisol can increase RT3 so I am going to attempt to mitigate this with licorice root extract and panax ginseng. Morning and noon cortisol levels were middle of the range and have room...

Cat, thanks for that bad ass reply and sharing your experience and quick research. I also have a saliva cortisol test that was sent in, and I am awaiting the results. My initial layman's thought is that high doses of test affect adrenal function and alter cortisol production and this in turn...

I have been taking 1.5 grain of compounded NDT for about a month along with Selenium and a trace mineral supplement. Here are my current numbers. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ TSH: not included, thought it was...

There has to be a happy middle ground. If you gained 30 pounds of muscle from your dose then just back off some. just keep backing off until you feel better. Seems more logical than just going from full dose to zero.

Are you saying that your joints hurt more since starting TRT?

I think almost everyone that is not dialed in is taking too much Test.

I wonder if less frequent dosages would help reduce negative effects on the brain. Allowing for a lower trough. Also have started to hear that SERMS are being prescribed on top of testosterone. Dr. mark Gordon does that.

Hey Nelson. I believe the last time you updated the forum. On your protocol it was 100mg it test a week and 1000iu of HCG. How is Libido and EQ on that? Well being in general?

I did carnivore for about 3 months and it was the most epic craps I have had my entire life. In a good way. Perfect. My stomach was also flatter and less inflamed. I'm not doing carnivore anymore. Just a lower carb natural diet but I felt like carnivore was an awesome reset for me to...

I wonder if you needed more androgens. Is t your protocol 125 or so a week?

Thanks funk. Saw you over on the other forum in that thread. That's what piqued my interest. Have you been trying this?

I just had my consultation with defy and couldn't get the estrogen pills. Just thinking outside the box, would DBOL be a possible workaround to getting more estrogen?

I hope someone on here tries this and can report back.

You are a novice and don't come off as respectful to either the members of the forum or to the compounds you are taking. Cycling anabolics for mental health is stupid. Even for gym gains, in my opinion and experience, cycling is less effective in the long run than just staying natural...

I don't think 350mg of test is going to have you looking good. I've tried the higher dosages and my face looked old. I retained water. Looked tired probably because my sleep suffered. I actually look much healthier on a normal dose. If you want to look goodit may be worth trying a normal...

On just test, my SHBG is normally around 35 really no matter my test dose. on "210" cypionate and 70 primo, my SHBG is 17. and thats with 1000hcg a week. Free T using direct method, which is inaccurate is 28. I don't see how Primo can be incorportated into a long term protocol. The reduction...