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Great numbers on paper, but how do you feel? Are you getting symptom relief for hypogonadism? Any side effects?

I have read quite a few anecdotes over the years about guys feeling like TRT makes them look aged. From personal experience, I think its the water bloating that does it, especially in the face with telltale circles under the eyes. On the classic cypionate dose of 100mg per week (E3.5 days)...

I recall that you are the Natesto connoisseur ! It seems like a combination of the "bottoming out" plus the E2 tail from the earlier peak (E2 follows T - one of the first rules I learned here!)

I had tried E3D before and now trying daily. To be honest, its not going well. I just feel like garbage on the stuff, even Pregnyl.

Good to see update from you MJ. Some of your previous posts about protocol change still resonate with me because the only times I've gotten flashes of libido on TRT were from dose changes (or when stopping TRT). The one recent exception was libido from low dose no tester T, in this case...

You started the smart way. When/if the time comes, its easy to titrate up versus down.

Good luck Craig. That T blend might be the oddest one I've seen yet!

I would suggest getting new vial of testosterone or better yet a different brand. Either you are not delivering the T correctly as Funk mentioned or there is something wrong with the T

TT 706 ng/dL with highish SHBG 44.8 nmol/L on 20mg TC daily seems way too low. Something off there...

Its a great discussion to have because Phil and Cat represent two different schools of thought. That's what makes this forum so invaluable versus the steroid culture chat groups. Agreed it would be better if posted in standalone thread. But damn I wish could have seen their discussion early...

He lost me when he started talking about titrating up from 120 mg :D which he acknowledges will already put most men at top of range or even well above it. Its like saying one martini makes you feel good so why not two?

While there may be other causes, these symptoms are very common for older men (the mid-50 doldrums!). It sucks but its the unfortunate reality of getting older. If you find the solution, let me know.

For subq, most use much thinner gauge needle of 30 or 31 with short length of 5/16. Injection in belly fat https://www.excelmale.com/threads/daily-subqers-5-stars-for-bd-ultra-fine-insulin-syringe-31g-3-10cc-5-16.24643/

Respect for the rant and for being honest with yourself. I too have questioned many times whether TRT is worth it and have quit on several occasions only to return for some reason. I think a big part of it is general dissatisfaction with life after 50. For me, TRT has been neither the cure nor...

Cialas/viagra targets ED - i.e., the mechanical aspect. Whereas lack of libido refers to no interest in sex - i.e., the mental piece. You can have one without the other.

It is confusing because most of AAS articles appear to refer to TNE as oil base (sometimes just referred to as "Base) whereas Suspension refers to water. Either way there is no ester, but the two can be different in terms of absorption rate and PIP.

Same exact experience here. At top of range, I have sub-zero libido if that is possible (at least pre-TRT I have occasional flashes). I have mid-high SHBG of 40-45 I continue to be jealous of guys who experience raging libido at supraphysiologic levels. If only...

I am a daily low dose subq guy and have found that anything over 6mg TE daily will result in early AM awakenings which leaves me feeling shitty rest of the day. I am currently adding 2mg TNE to my daily base of 6mg TE to provide a morning spike. The fast acting TNE is out of the body by...

Are you having trouble sleeping both peak and trough day? IM or subq?

Good news that you are feeling better. Are you still experiencing crappiness day after injection? Are you going to stick with 1x per week shallow IM?

HCG causing drop in E2 - you and @FunkOdyssey need to switch places :cool: (see thread below). Joking aside, I've never seen anyone on this forum experience lower E2 from HCG. I am a low E2 guy about to add HCG (Pregnyl) to my low dose regiment. I will let you know if something similar occurs...

So are you officially done with the HCG? Or will you adjust and try again?

Appreciate the results @FunkOdyssey . That is quite a jump in E2. Why would the bolus from larger, presumably less frequent dose improve the disrupted neurosteroids verus daily?

Most definitely. I keep a TRT journal and have had quite a few entries about glorious days following TP increase. Then leveling out to point of emotional blunting. Its a tricky balance. One suggestion - don't track day-by-day. Too many variables at play.

So in theory that would bump you bump to TT 800? I see a new product in development! Speaking of fast acting T, a little goes a long way. When adding TNE (oil based) to my daily TE protocol, I have noticed that 2mg TNE seems to my sweet spot for a morning spike, subjectively speaking. I...

So overall nothing positive. Bummer. Let us know your test results and if you try the 75 iu daily after your trip.

Damn that is disappointing. I was inspired by this post to order some Pregnyl from Defy. Any comments on other areas such as sleep, mental cognition, energy levels, athletic performance?

Congrats you've just prescribed 1.7x the levels of a healthy young male! That dose would put me at around 1200 TT In the end, its a helluva lot easier to titrate up then down. But who are we kidding with this debate - the elephant in the room is that clinics are always going to over-prescribe...

I remember envying your success on 1x weekly 60mg. Loved the simplicity of it. Since you seem to do well on it other than first 1-2 days, I would agree with some of the other posters to a modest dose reduction with moving to 2x weekly to blunt that peak.

If it were me, I would ditch DHEA until you dial in your dose. Many TRTers including yours truly feel shitty on DHEA supplements.

You've already identified a potential culprit other than TRT that could be contributing to your issues. Overtraining can hit you hard - shitty sleep, general malaise, wired but exhausted feeling, etc. I have been guilty of this many times. As you get older, its very easy to overdo it...