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That’s true. I did try that about about 2 years ago. Did daily cream every morning with cyp as the base to keep levels good. Didn’t notice any difference. However you made me think that I never tried that while also having hcg as well. I had a journal I was using to keep track of everything for...

Just got my levels back and again they are perfect. Traveling and typing this on my phone so not gonna go through and copy paste everything regarding bloodwork but even my docs at Defy agree everything is spot on. After trying subq, daily injections and all other different methods the only...

Yeah I’ve seen that as well. I didn’t use prop it I tried daily test cream along with the test enth which gave a daily variation but no difference. I’ve tried all of DHEA, preg, progesterone separately. I’m wondering if adding in one of those while I’m also doing hcg can make a difference...

Yeah pregnelone/DHEA, hcg. I sort of feel the benefit shortly with hcg before everything goes to hell with estrogen. So now I’m trying to add stuff like Primobolan and non-conventional trt items (at least for here in United States).

Yup I noticed this right around when the honey moon phase of trt wore off. My adderall no longer have me that mental drive to do anything. I came off trt and everything went back to normal. Fast forward a year later and I’m back on trt and adderall is back to not doing much. I’m one of those...

Yeah I’ve tried daily injections thinking that all I had to do was fix it so e2 wasn’t peaking to high and everything would be gravy. Had no luck with that and e2 was perfect. Only thing I haven’t tried is once a week injections and that’s because of of the fear of e2 spiking with big injection...

With a slow week at work I’ve had more time to just read through forums and now I’ve come across more things I would like to try as well. Even though I’ve had prolactin checked before and it was high I would still like to see what I feel like by lowering it. Instead of using Cabergoline I’ve...

In regards to the hormone pathway where cholesterol turns into Pregnelone to start the downstream path for the hormones. What happens to that cholesterol if you’re not on hcg? Does it sit there just building up in the arteries because it has nowhere to go?

Forgive the ignorance but how does the Proviron do anything to the women if you’re the one taking it? I mean get how like test cream can rub off on people and cause side effects but how would Proviron?

Might not but I’ve still got about 2 months worth left so going to try a few different things with it. At least, can check off another box on what doesn’t work. I’ve tried all but DHEA. Didn’t notice shit from preg or prog. Hcg just caused me high e2. Thinking of trying to grab some hcg and...

SHBG was 26.7 on last labs.

Quick update: Been feeling worse after taking the capsules. (Low e2 type worse). Going to swap to taking 12.5mg in morning and night rather than just the full 25mg in the morning. Libido has went from 2/10 to 0/10. Reducing the big spikes and trying to keep it more leveled with the dosing is...

Yeah, libido is very frustrating. I’m at the point now where I’m just adding one fix after another trying to get to get it back. With the overwhelming amount of positive feedback I’ve read about libido in regards to Proviron I figured it’s now time to give it shot. For 3 days in so far, my...

I did indeed.

Indeed. I came off of adderall thinking over sensitized dopamine receptors might just need a break but never noticed any improvement. Stress and sleep wise I feel to be in a good spot with both of those.

I actually just got some in the mail last week. Haven’t used it yet. Want to run only 1 variable at a time on this trial. But DHEA levels were towards the top of the range on bloodwork couple months ago.

Believe I’ve tried all of those except the Cabergoline, would have to look back at me notebook and see. I’ve tried AI’s even at the lowest dose it made me feel off. But I really don’t believe e2 to be my problem as my latest bloodwork was total T of 1100, free t 30 & e2 of 30. I’ve noticed...

Main ways I can tell is I can’t get off no what I do, trying to wake up for work is very difficult need like twice the amount of caffeine throughout the day. Basically no drive through the day and brain fog starts creeping in.

Quick background info: I’ve been on and off trt. Libido has been crap regardless whether on trt or off. It does get worse on trt though. I’ve tried cream, prop, cyp, hcg changing dosages, frequency..etc you name and I’ve tried it. The only time I’ve ever had a surge in libido was one time when...

So I went backed and looked at the labs again of when that SHBG came back at 4 times the previous amount. That same labwork had these as my levels: Total T - 102 Free T - 43 E2 - 55 SHBG - 117 DHT - 161 So according to that Total T goes down. Unless they messed that one up as well. I had...

I see, well yeah looks like those first results were just plain wrong then.

Had my follow up with the Dr. today and she mentioned a good point. That the possible reason the results could have been so different is that my shbg shot up to 120 the first time we tried this. My shbg has always set at 30 on all of the labs I’ve done except for around that time frame and...

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When I first started on TRT about 4 years ago my first protocol was 140mg test cyp a week with 80 units of hcg. My blood results for this came back at 467 total t, free t 19 & e2 at 17. Came off of it for a few years. Started back on trt about 2 months ago at 140mg a week of test cyp and No...

Lets say my dose has increased on the injection and I can tell right away that my e2 is feeling a little high and not feeling that great. If I stuck with this increased dose for let’s say 6 weeks, could my body get used to this increased e2 to where it becomes normal for me and the negative...

Would this be similar to how DHT competes with the e2 receptor? If so, any idea what happens if progesterone or DHT drops lower in the day would e2 recognize the receptor is no longer taken by DHT/e2 and automatically fill in those receptors?

So am I understanding that correctly that progesterone cream lowers e2 levels?

I had all of this on 5mg daily. 2.5mg daily and no issues.

Yea, def feels like I just chugged 800mg of caffeine for about 24 hours after injection. It already seems to be little better since I started this thread, I think in a few weeks everything should be calmed down. Interesting, I always thought there wasn’t really no difference between those two...

Really glad to hear this, just helps me mentally hunker down and deal with it knowing it’s normal & should pass with some more time. My main reason for hopping back on. First I’ve heard of Jatenzo.

Anyone else have real bad anxiety after starting trt? Third week of starting back & the anxiety is about a 9 out of 10. Is it just the hormone levels getting adjusted that is causing this? I had this when I first started last time but I thought it was the other medication. Testosterone is the...