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Is estrogenic rebound a real thing or is it all in my head?? After a year and a half of using an AI regularly I have stopped cold turkey and I feel like the aromatase floodgates have opened up. I'm taking 50mg of testosterone (2x/wk) with an insulin syringe. I need to stick with the plan...

Another possible reason for my anxiety and insomnia and ED is because I have more than likely crashed my e2 a long time ago.

Vince, You're 100% correct. I even hired someone in the profession for diet, training, and HRT coaching. Diet and training have been great. But never really stuck with a protocol long enough to get a solid reading and let him adjust. All he wanted me to do was stick with a protocol for a...

Sorry about that Gene. I had a mini breakdown, but I'm over it. I'll delete all my posts if you want. I realize things take time to stabilize. I'm working on delaying gratification in all aspects of my life. This too shall pass.

I want desperately to throw my Anastrozole in the garbage. What do you guys think would happen if I stopped cold turkey and lowered my T dose???

Wow. I guess if it ain't broke why fix it. If you feel great who cares if the number is 50. It's amazing the damage Adex has done to me. What's even more remarkable is that I keep taking it. What about your Pregnenolone levels? Cortisol? Adrenals? I guess if you feel great it doesn't...

I'm just a fool that keeps making the same mistake over and over again.

I have a great doctor. I'm prescribed T + HCG + AI and my labs are covered. However his protocol is 200mg/wk and take 1mg Adex the last seven days of every month and HCG once every two months. So... I am going to stay with my doc but not follow that protocol. And to be honest, you guys...

I'm anxiously waiting a response lol I know it's hard to believe but I'm not that too far gone.

Hahahahaha. Woke up extremely estrogenic and puffy despite low penile sensitivity (low e2 symptom) Took a touch of Adex. Feel better but it will take me too low. Maybe I should just stop TRT all together and go back to yoga and meditation or something. I still don't have a protocol...

I've made my decision. 60/250/.25 (e3d) I'm going to do my injections at night since those first 12 hours post HCG seem to be the worst. I'm going to get labs in 4-6 weeks and report back with the results. It may be too much T. I guess only labs will tell. Thanks again guys.

Vince, I really appreciate this dialogue. Thanku. Yes. I always shoot at the same time and always causes issues. I guess I assumed T doesn't Peak for 24 hours and HCG peaks in 12 hours so it would be ok. But maybe splitting it up would be better. Taking HCG one day before T. And then...

Vinces, Thanks for your responses. VC, yes the fact that Adex doesn't account for HcG aromitization is where most of my problems lie. I experience low e2 from the Adex and high e2 from Hcg AT THE SAME TIME. This is a very frustration situation. If I'm T+AI I take AI 24 hours post...

Yes Vince, I am actually very self-aware of issues I need to work on. However, the purpose of this thread is my issue with HCG. Unless I lower T dose significantly, I get a negative reaction to hcG. Benadryl helped a little, but I get very obvious facial swelling and puffiness from Hcg, yet...

Hey guys, I trust the leaders of this site and the advice all you guys have given me. Yet despite the consensus, I've still been too "afraid" to drop the AI cold turkey. There is no doubt the Anastrozole has caused me more problems than anything else. I want to try drop T from 80mg...

Nelson this was awesome!! I've been researching e2 managent as it relates to TRT for years on the Internet. This is the most informative piece I've come across, by far. I could have kept listening, despite the technical difficulties haha Side note: I've re-introduced hcG. Tremendous...

Great advice Nelson. You are correct... It's all about fear and it's no way to live. And nothing is the end of the world anyways. I anticipate to constantly be tweaking and I'm ok with that. TRT has brought WAY more positive into my life than negative, so nothing is perfect. HCG has some...

Looks great. I'm getting the message. No AI needed unless it's needed. Anastrozole has caused most of, if not all of my problems. It's amazing the misinformation out there. Have you ever read well-respected T Nation sticky for TRT protocol. They recommend 1mg Adex for every 100mg of...

Gene, If you don't mind me asking, what protocol do you follow?

You guys are so right. I'm just gonna make a decision (T+AI+HCG) and stick with it regardless of how I feel. I'll report back with results. Thankyou.

Thanku guys for all of your responses. The ED is obviously the most frustrating part... And not knowing what's causing it. If I decide to drop Adex do you guys think that I should taper off it or drop it cold turkey? Thanks, Jeff

I really appreciate it man. I was doing 60mg of T every 3.5 days and taking .25mg of Adex once every five days and my strength was actually up while I was away in July. That was going well, and even though it was TOO MUCH AI; when I woke up without morning wood on day 4 one week... I popped...

Thanks Ero, What would be your Reccommendation for an initial protocol??

So now I just want to adopt a protocol, stick with it for a month and get labs. But I don't know whether or not to include HCG in that protocol.

I too noticed bloat similar to HCG. One positive interestingly enough was that I definitely slept better while taking a little preg cream before bedtime. That could account for the "relaxed and tired" like you say. I would say maybe try it at night. A little background. About 15 months...

Thx Vince. It's a tough call. It does have benefits but creates complications as well. There are many many men that do just fine without it. And then there are others that swear by it, and say it is absolutely necessary. Like you said it's individualistic. Ultimately I'm going to have...

Thx Nelson. I am not concerned with ball size or fertility. Libido is fine as long as T:E ratio is good. Pregnenolone levels always seem to come back low. I've tried life flo preg cream. Leading to another question, how important is pregnenolone while on TRT? Since HCG would surely...

Hey guys, I've been struggling to find a protocol that works for me. Trying to dose Adex with hcG is like hitting a moving target for me. It fluctuates so much. For example, my best labs came back 60/250/.25 (2x/wk) on the day of injection TT was 550 and E2 was 21. Two or three days after...

Coast watcher, I really appreciate it man. And will definitely open up a new thread. I like this forum. If you don't mind me asking, which protocol do you follow? Do you recommend tapering off Adex or stopping cold turkey? Once again. Thanks

Im going to. Thanku! Going by "feel" causes nothing but indecision and frustration. Would you personally recommend incorporating HCG or no? Here are the protocols I'm considering... 80/80 and .25 MWF Or 60/125/.25 (2x/wk) -This is the one suggested to me by someone I have worked with for...

My last post didn't show but 60/250/.25 (2x/wk) had my TT at 550 and e2 at 17 on the day of injection. Doesn't account for e2 spike from HCG.