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Yes! And, for now, I am attempting to do just that. In the past I was trying to compare labs from the VA, LabCorp or Quest...=( Looking forward to hopefully attaining a somewhat stable range so I can actually compare symptoms with labs! Spent a lot of years riding this hormonal roller...

Hi Vince Carter, I agree with you...shouldn't matter! If it wasn't for the cost I would like to do both tests with same sample just to see if they are comparable!?

Just got reply from LabCorp in ref to inquiry about Lab Test #140244 vs #500108. They state that tests are done the same but #500108 is done by Esoterix Endocrinology Laboratory, and no ref range is specified. LabCorp says to look under labcorp.com under test menu for ref range!? Guessing they...

EXACTLY what I was looking for! Based on those parameters I can proceed with a protocol that probably will keep me near the 40+ range for a while, as I am borderline osteoporosis and previous saliva tests indicated low E. Two previous standard E2 test came back at 6 and 11, not sure what the...

Hi JPB...I agree with you on that! Actually got a great explanation from Dr Saya...seems that LabCorp had switched to the LC/MS-MS methodology about 2 years ago, but had some equipment issues which may have been the reason for the contrarian lab results. Lab numbers aren't the final say in...

Thank you Dr Saya for the prompt reply and excellent explanation! I should have reread my post...then reworded it accordingly =( I wasn't trying to compare standard to sensitive results directly. Was trying to establish the validity of the current test #140244 as their assay seems to be...

Dr Saya... Just discovered that LabCorp has changed the methodology of E2 (Sensitive)Test #140244 from RIA to LC/MS-MS. According to some posts at All Things Male their results are coming in contrary to what we have seen in the past. Utilizing their current methodology the readings are coming...

Update for all... Just discovered that LabCorp has changed the methodology for E2 Sensitive Test #140244 from RIA to LC/MS-MS, which is the same methodology for Test #500108. According to discussion at All Things Male (not computer literate so don't know how to list direct link) the range has...

Thanks Nelson...Vince had posted the connection for that study earlier today. Printed it out and have read it twice already! Just starting to browse through this website...you are EVERYWHERE! Thank you for taking the time to post info on this issue as I know you are a busy man. I have to...

Thanks Dr Saya... Truly appreciate your input! Sleep apnea is not an issue, but chronic bronchitis is a possibility! Can almost max out a spirometer on a regular basis but get bronchitis with every cold!? Seem to expel abnormal amount mucus from lungs also. Daily usage of antihistamine...

Both Iron and Ferritin have stayed within range...thankfully! Initially my WBC was low but has since raised to ok level!? Just like any and every other part of the human anatomy...changing one thing usually alters other aspects...some positive and some negative!

Re-Ride...Thanks for the Recommendation! Have read a couple of articles lately that state benefits from HCG that aren't scientifically/medically corroborated. One stated that it appeared that leydig cells were not only enlarged but the number seemed to have increased!? Just praying that I can...

Vince...may eventually try that protocol! Since polycythemia is usually worse with injections I am hesitant to go there until I find reasonable control with TD Gel. Got so bad back in Sept that I had to terminate TRT, see a Hematologist to rule out Polycythemia Vera. 3 blood donations and one...

Thanks CoastWatcher! Will check it out...appreciate the reference and recommendation. Have read a few articles/commentaries by Justin Saya...seems to be tuned into what is and isn't. Again...thank you sir...Roy

Hi again Vince. Great article/Case-Study about HCG dosage! After going back over pre-startup labs I may have to reconsider dosage protocol. Through holistic supplements I was able to increase my TT from 115-200 range to TT370, but LH 7.9 indicates system was pushing hard just to attain that...

Hi Vince Carter. Thanks for the info about limited control of E produced in the testes...was not aware of that. Fortunately my normal E2 level is somewhat low so hopefully it will not increase beyond a controllable level. Will likely try below 100iu daily dosage down the road. Am struggling...

Hi Vince. Thanks for the info. Mainly curious as to "what parameters" these individuals relied on to settle on a certain dosage. Also curious if TD Gel patients have used an under 100iu daily dosage of HCG with any success? Presently anxious for HCG to be delivered so I can get started...

Hi CoastWatcher. Driving in the dark? Kinda, sorta!? Have worked with a Urologist and an "ED Specialist" for the past 3 1/2 yrs...neither of them was worth 2 cents. Local Endo will not even prescribe TRT as my TT 370 is "within range"!? Finally got family Dr to work with me. He is willing to...

Hi JPB. In the past I have only done TD Gel by itself. TT would rise to acceptable levels (600-700) then drop below 300 and ED would return. E2 remained below normal, likely because SHBG was over 70. Would up TD Gel dosage and the roller coaster ride would ensue. During all of this I was...

Hi Re-Ride. You are correct, I used the wrong terminology...had read where some others had used that analogy to describe the effects of HCG simulating the LH signal and therefore tricking the testes to again manufacture testosterone. Have since read that the "desensitazation" hypothesis was...

Presently on TD Gel @ approx 70mg daily. Will start HCG SQ injections at 100iu daily. Curious as to what parameters others have utilized to determine the optimum dosage of HCT over the long haul. My intent is to reactivate HPTA, which should add baseline Testosterone and hopefully allow for...

Appreciate your input Vince! After recovering some saliva tests from 2013 I tend to agree with you...both tests indicate I was LOW on E2 at that time! In 2013 my bone scan showed borderline osteoporosis. My pre-TRT start up E2 lab came in at 11 on LabCorp Standard Assay...which is low...

Hi Vince! Have to agree with that statement...symptoms have to be incorporated before making choices. Unfortunately my symptoms seem to fit both high and low E2. After more research into the LabCorp Sensitive Test #140244...RIA (the one I had done) I have decided to disregard it as generally...

Thanks Orrin! Your results were much closer than others I have seen but the standard was still higher than the sensitive. At this point I can't put faith in my lab results...frustrated to say the least! May do a saliva test just to validate my suspicion of being high...

True. My TT was 770 but HPTA was already shut down so TT may go even higher after incorporating HCG. FT was 1.5% but would prefer to get it up to 2% or better...SHBG is still high at 70+. Libido was just starting to improve but has since backed off. T/E is 19/1 and that is probably ok but...

Thanks ERO! Just had not yet read where anyone had these results. Was looking at a Canadian site that was taking a closer look at the two test results, and all of theirs came back higher on the standard...hmmm!? Not sure if I should trust this particular test!? Will be starting HCG shortly...

Same sample!

Same sample!

Recent labs from LabCorp indicate usual discrepancy between standard and sensitive E2 tests. Standard E2 test is 29.7 (7.6-42.6)......Sensitive E2 40.1 (8.0-35.0). Standard Assay states I am in upper normal range, but Sensitive Assay indicates I am above normal range!? Has anyone here ever...

Thanks DLK...but Cardiologist isn't very happy with me...lol!

Hi Vince, Thanks for the info. Defy Med was already on my radar. Figured I would start with my local Dr, get proper baseline labs, start TRT, retest, add HCG/AI/DHEA accordingly...if indicated. Being on Medicare has its limitations also...at least local Dr is willing to do whatever is...