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I'm too scared to take FIN long term. I know it may be a temporary solution but to me does not seem like a long term solution. Most recently I was doing 20mg EOD which had me feeling okay I guess. I'm thinking about switching to 40 mg every 3.5 days to try and see if that will bring up the E2...

I've sat here and read through this whole thread and your the first person I think has the exact same situation as me. I cannot get my e2 up regardless of what I try so I tried the Fin experiment also. Made me feel awesome. Raging libido, great workouts etc. I just kept getting scared because of...

I have a similar story with starting on a high dose and remember feeling great as well. It could partly be due to the honeymoon period, but also my thoughts are the high doses allowed my E2 to at least be in such a high range that it would alleviate the symptoms. I did not feel comfortable with...

That has been the conventional wisdom but I'm certain mine are low e2. Constant joint pains, extreme fatigue coupled with the fact that taking cialis which is known to lower e2 makes me feel even worse, like complete garbage for days. Like this study said that the original poster linked with the...

This has to be what I am dealing with. I have constantly battled with low e2 symptoms my entire TRT journey and have never been able to figure out why when my e2 on labwork is always realtively normal. It is finally making sense why I feel better with lower total T numbers but like super low...

Does going to a daily regimen seem to lower DHT conversion? It would make sense as it’s less of a peak dosing to convert over to DHT. Anyone have any thoughts or experience?

Things I have noticed are Cialis/viagra Zinc DIM (broccoli etc.)

Correct, now here’s where the difference comes in. I’m sure my test level with scrotal cream would peak way higher causing there to be some level of e2 conversion. I was doing 200mg total all to the scrotum, which even though my DHT was through the roof so was my test which allowed enough e2 to...

I get what your saying but while I was on the scrotal cream I was running extremely high T levels theorizing that allowed my e2 to finally get high enough. I didn’t feel comfortable running that high of T and DHT levels long term combined with the pain in the butt that applying cream twice a day...

That’s the issue though, increasing my levels make me feel worse. Anything that can convert to DHT seems to and I don’t seem to tolerate extremely high dht. Feel hot, super bad acne on chest and back, and sebherrotic dermatitis. All of these issues seem to relate to high dht.

I’ve been on TRT for 3 years now and it has been a constant roller coaster. I believe I have finally narrowed down my issue. I’ve always been a low aromatizer and constantly struggled with headaches, achy joints and fatigue and anxiety Only taken one dose of an AI right in the beginning before...

Cool. Yea that’s where I sourced mine from. Seems legit.

Thanks. I added HCG which has fixed my issue for now. I’m back to feeling great. I’m worried about long term sourcing of HCG though.

It worked to relieve your crashed e2 symptoms though?

Obviously I’d need to experiment but how much do you think to start with.

Can you give me a link of the estradiol cream your talking about?

Nelson I know this is an old thread but I’m still battling with this your comment finally made me realize that’s the issue. The high DHT is suppressing e2 and very little of my testosterone is converting to e2. I’m going to try adding HCG when it gets here. What are your thoughts on saw...

I know it doesn’t make a ton of sense but it absolutely is. I don’t have lab work for some of it but over the last six months anytime I take it for a couple days in a row I end up with major sore joints, fatigue and all the EXACT symptoms I had when I crashed my e2 years ago with arimidex.

I’m not sure honestly, there seems to be ancedotal reports that clomid does somewhat work when on TRT but the science doesn’t seem to support it. It’s worth a try for you I would say. Have you tried high doses of HCG like 500iu 3 times a week?

Thanks for the replies guys. I will attempt with the Dr. on Tuesday and if not try and source hCG elsewhere or start looking for a new Dr. I know Defy is great so I'll probably head that direction if Dr. wont prescribe. Gman how long does reliablerx usually take to receive? Is it from overseas?

Hey guys looking for a little discussion here. Been on different forms of TRT for a little over 2 years now. Struggled constantly with headaches on injectables, emotional on clomid (however felt great the first two weeks, which i think was the increase in e2) and finally settled on scrotal...

I think cialis may affect aromatization in some people enough to cause serious decrease in e2. For me it sucks because the cialis was working great but now I have to be careful with it as to not bring my e2 down too low.

I for some reason seem to have the opposite problem of most people. I have a hard time keeping my e2 high enough. I just don’t aromatize much.

I know this thread is a few years old, but I had the same symptom. Finally figured out it was constant low e2. When my e2 gets to low I have constant throbbing headache till I get my e2 level up.

That was my initial thought too. But there’s literally no other variable change in my protocol other than adding cialis. My tell tale sign of low e2 is a massive headache that doesn’t go away until my levels get back up.

I think this is the missing link on me crashing my e2 lately. I was on a steady protocol finally felt good on trt which took a long time. I realized I must not aromatize much. I added cialis because I have chronic pelvic pain syndrome which affects my erections. Daily cialis Has really helped my...