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Ceruloplasamin is needed to load and distribute iron. Have you tested copper and ceruloplasamin. Rarely do minerals end up depleted in their lonesome. When you donate blood your also depleting yourself of important cofactors required for metabolizing iron. Copper and iron and zinc get depleted...

Are you taking anything with zinc or have you in the past? Try to stay away from minerals unless there is a clear need. Vitamin a is needed to make ceruloplasamin as well as copper. I bet you are copper deficient as well. Try taking 2.5 mg of copper and 10000 iu of vit a for a month along...

Anyone have any idea where to bring an hcg script in order to get pregnyl? Any online pharmacies carry pregnyl? The difference between compounded and pregnyl anecdotally speaking, has me curious to run back through some of my hcg experiments with pregnyl.

Yes, prior to trt I had .4 on labcorps 0-.5 range. And my level was the same while on test only trt one year later. I’m also a primary hypo case which cataceous has commented on possible changing things if I keep my test dose low enough to mimic my natural levels. Which are high. Prior to my...

Anyone try this? How much? What did it do to bloods? Any changes with body brain or libido?

My current experimentation does not include hcg. I’d never say off for good but for at least some time

I believe that eventually it raised my progesterone too high resulting in sexual issues. I did not confirm this with bloodwork. I do have naturally high progesterone levels prior to using hcg, and hcg is known to raise progesterone levels particularly in young men. Being 30, this may have been me.

What is the reason for needing phlebotomy? Is the hematocrit the issue even while on jatenzo?

Where can we get this in the states? been on the hunt for a week!!

Where can this be prescribed and what compounding pharmacies offer it? Congrats! What has been your dose? I’ve been looking for several weeks where I can get this compound. Was that price you paid with insurance?

Ah yes, the other item that is a downside, multiple daily uses. A dealbreaker for a few. Many guys do use supplements anyways. I guess it depends. The disproportionate dht conversion is a concern and questions about all of the estrogens come to mind. I wonder if it influences estriol or estrone...

By the way @madman thabk you for helping to refine the discussion herein concerning test base so we can all have a more precise set of expectations and therapeutic starting points. Test base is not rubbish. If one is to use bioavailability as the metric to determine therapeutic potential, then...

It wouldn’t be a far stretch to say that if I was to have started trying to rely solely on testosterone base orally as my only source of t, common sense thing would say to take 200mg-300mg 2 or 3 times daily. However I was not in that position due to wanting to run it alongside prop for the time...

Potentially systemlords success with jatenzo is improved liver function. A known issue in every diabetic.

Haha I wouldn’t say I was clueless. I am taking 450mg a day! Your right about the black market, as sad as it is that it’s the only way to get it. But regardless, for comparisons sake, let’s compare pharma grade test base to test undec. It does appear delivery is significantly better with the...

The formulation of a patentable esterless testosterone is difficult because testosterone is a raw hormone. It is not a drug. Pharma avoids common sense all over the place. This is why we all now live in pill land. Not all, but a significant amount of the science that is completed is filtered...

This study you posted to me speaks to the relative similar oral bioavailability of esterless testosterone. Jatenzo doses at 237 twice daily is around the middle of the above referenced 400-600mg daily which I believe reinforces the bioavailability claim. Jatenzo has terrible bioavailability but...

Interesting, I’m looking more into this. It seems as though I have misspoke. What do you make of these? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/580151 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/520403 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(74)90216-5/fulltext...

Big thumbs up for oral testosterone. Be it jatenzo, or testosterone. We think nothing of eating pregnenolone, dhea, or progesterone. But since pharma controls testosterone there has been little talk of consuming it orally until jatenzo. So for jatenzo I’m grateful. Most will not be able to swing...

Oh I’m also on test prop daily too. Never have I had such erections while on trt and libido has been much better. This is saying something because I’ve tried just about every hormone, combinations of hormones, dosing routine and route of administration.

I’m on oral testosterone base It costs me 25$ per month. Orally has roughly the same bioavailability of testosterone undecanoate, roughly same half life, and regardless of meal status maintained the same bioavailability.

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I’m currently not on estradiol. I’m not sure where my e2 sits but I presume it is on lower end. My most recent experiment involves 12mg of prop daily and 150mg of oral t base every 8ish hours (3 times daily) Erectile quality skyrocketed for first time since being on trt. Still seeing whether...

I’ve also tried oral progesterone. I notice a profound sense of calmness from topical. Injection I don’t feel this calmness until I start dosing over 1mg. Then I’m in zone. More energy with injection route. Oral I notice somewhere in between. I believe all 3 give me side effect of lower...

How old are you and how many calories do you eat in a day? How’s your appetite!

If 5 mg doesn’t work then I would do 8mg of prop. Prop has treated me entirely different. I’m pairing 12 mg of prop and 150mg oral testosterone base 3x daily. Erectile quality is back full after years of bad eq. Libido has improved. I’m kind of lethargic but maybe that’s from increased...

I was experimenting on how I felt and collecting bloodwork data. I don’t have bad sleep or anxiety symptoms with levels up to 30mg per day so I did not end up staying there. I still favor lower doses but am all over the place with experimenting still

I can say as another antidote besides that of @Cataceous that dropping test down to 5 mg did nothing wrong for me. I did not stay on it super long but at least one month. I noticed no negatives and maybe an improvement in erectile quality and reduction in anxiety.

Are you still experimenting with this? Any sides or known issues with it long term?

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