TWICE PER WEEK TESTOSTERONE INJECTIONS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH GREATER RISK OF HIGH HEMATOCRIT

I had the same thing in terms of it happening in reverse. Mine sat around 45-47 for 5 years until just recently, I got three consecutive readings over 51. No change in dosage, no change in BW or any of that, practically the same exact workout as before, I've been drinking a gallon of water for the past month or so and taking grapefruit seed extract. I did donate for the first time last week and we'll see if the extra hydration,grapefruit and donation make a difference. What's even stranger is that when I was a kid and would go for a physical, even into college, they always remarked that my Hg and HCT were borderline low wand I should keep an eye on it.

I thought my increase in HCT was due to complication with the Thyroid some how, maybe triggering a bit of sleep apnea, but maybe that's the increase injection frequency. see if you have maybe developed some apnea or water retention along the way that may cause HCT to go higher
 
I thought my increase in HCT was due to complication with the Thyroid some how, maybe triggering a bit of sleep apnea, but maybe that's the increase injection frequency. see if you have maybe developed some apnea or water retention along the way that may cause HCT to go higher

Well, I DO have sleep apnea, but had it well before starting TRT, and I use a CPAP religiously every night. I also have hypothyroidism, and,again, that was the first thing I was diagnosed with, before hypogonadism. My doctor put me on Thyroid meds, which corrected that rather quickly, but my T was still very low, so I started TRT then. Both of the possible issues that might have lead to this are and have been dealt with since before I even began TRT. This is why it baffles me.
 
And then you can certainly have a well defended argument that any Erythrocytosis is benign and otherwise a misdiagnosed PCV. ASn increase in one or even two blood factors might not be anything, an increase in all blood factors, which is PCV, would be cause for concern. Then too you can even break it in to being Platelets and not HCT/HGB/RBC.

Not sure how it can be elucidated for you in any more detail. See specific post linked below.

Hematocrit, TRT --> systemic vascular resistance response

Because some doctors (who don't seem to be huge fans of physics) sorta sound comforting, you'd take their opinions over Dr. Saya who has a very good grasp of shear stress, viscosity, strain rate, etc, etc. I'd tend to listen to the provider who gets their facts straight on the effect of Hct on the heart. Also a real plus if they got an A in Fluid Mechanics class. I guess I'm funny like that. See the examples I went over with Jay, Bob, etc.

Your post is dangerous to men who have compromised cardiovascular system. Sure, you can get away with running high Hcts for a while if in great shape, but your comments are not helpful to obese, poor cardio dude who goes on TRT. You fundamentally don't understand the relevant variables and effects in this scenario. Keep reading :).

@Dr Justin Saya MD
 
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Well, I DO have sleep apnea, but had it well before starting TRT, and I use a CPAP religiously every night. I also have hypothyroidism, and,again, that was the first thing I was diagnosed with, before hypogonadism. My doctor put me on Thyroid meds, which corrected that rather quickly, but my T was still very low, so I started TRT then. Both of the possible issues that might have lead to this are and have been dealt with since before I even began TRT. This is why it baffles me.

funny enough I just got back my CBC today, my Hemoglobin dropped from 17.6 to 17. The only changes I made are: I increased my Thyroid and with my diet. I don't eat grains anymore, beside for some basmati white, and I increased my red meat consumption
 
How high hct. would you guess will have a chronic stress effect on the vasculature

There's not going to be one fixed number. It depends on individual susceptibility. Also see the data tareload/readalot posted here, along with reasons why higher levels are problematic:

Viscosity starts rising rapidly when hematocrit gets up to around 50%.
 
There's not going to be one fixed number. It depends on individual susceptibility. Also see the data tareload/readalot posted here, along with reasons why higher levels are problematic:

Viscosity starts rising rapidly when hematocrit gets up to around 50%.
Very very interesting @Cataceous thank you for posting.
 
There's not going to be one fixed number. It depends on individual susceptibility. Also see the data tareload/readalot posted here, along with reasons why higher levels are problematic:

Viscosity starts rising rapidly when hematocrit gets up to around 50%.
This freaks me out, but, I simply can’t find the balance without it. Alternating 7-8mg daily has felt the best, but quite sure HCT will be 50-52, given that 8mg daily was 54 HCT and 7mg daily was 48 HCT…but oddly enough, 7-8mg daily or 8mg daily gives me great BP, 7mg daily or below and my BP is 140’s over 80.
 
This discussion is interesting. Before I started daily injections I did have higher HCT but for some reason my blood pressure never increased. I do use high amounts of fish oil and wonder if that has anything with my blood pressure staying normal?

I've also read but not thoroughly about how stress can also increase HCT I guess I need to investigate it more.

 
This freaks me out, but, I simply can’t find the balance without it. Alternating 7-8mg daily has felt the best, but quite sure HCT will be 50-52, given that 8mg daily was 54 HCT and 7mg daily was 48 HCT…but oddly enough, 7-8mg daily or 8mg daily gives me great BP, 7mg daily or below and my BP is 140’s over 80.
Which test ester do you use and whats your HCG dose:)?
 
MP76-05 TWICE PER WEEK DOSING OF INTRAMUSCULAR TESTOSTERONE (T) IS ASSOCIATED WITH GREATER RISK OF ERYTHROCYTOSIS

I wish they had tried 50 mg twice per week instead of 80-150 mg twice per week.

INTRODUCTION AND OBJECTIVES
With an increasing awareness for mens health, marketing for pharmaceutical sales of testosterone products has increased over 170% over the last 5 years as reported by Layton et. al with a 100-fold increase in the market over the last 3 decades. The most common dose-limiting adverse effect of testosterone therapy (TTh) is erythrocytosis, which may exacerbate pre-existing vascular disease and increase the risk for thromboembolic complications. The increased risk of erythrocytosis with injectable testosterone over that of topical applications has been established. We sought to determine if the incidence of erythrocytosis, as defined by a hematocrit (Hct) > 52%, in patients on injectable TTh was significantly changed by more frequent, lower dose T injections.

METHODS
A sample of 55 men using injectable T (cypionate or enanthate) for symptomatic hypogonadism at a single dose and frequency was selected for analysis from a single center mens health database. Age, T dosage, frequency of administration, duration of T therapy, and Hct were extracted through retrospective chart review. The cohorts were separated into 27 men on 200mg of T once weekly (QW) and 28 men on 80-160mg of T twice weekly (BIW). Indication for BIW dosing was a return of hypogonadal symptoms prior to the administration of the next dose. The maximum Hct was identified for each individual and the cohort mean of the maxima was calculated. The difference in numerical variables was assessed via Mann-Whitney U analysis.

RESULTS
No significant difference was identified between the mean (range) age of the QW and BIW cohorts (43.2 (27-63) years vs. 40.6 (27-62) years), respectively (p=0.36). Erythrocytosis occurred in 11% of the QW cohort with a maximum Hct (Interquartile Range) of 49.2 % (43.4, 54.6). In contrast, a maximum Hct of 51.4 % (45.7, 56.9) was observed in the BIW cohort, with 29% of men developing erythrocytosis. Statistical significance was identified in comparing the percent erythrocytosis of the two cohorts (p=0.007). The rate of erythrocytosis, defined as the number of days until maximum Hct while on testosterone, was comparable in both groups (p=0.18).

CONCLUSIONS
Although the rate of erythrocytosis is comparable among BIW and QW dosing, more frequent dosing of injectable T is associated with a higher maximum Hct and a higher incidence of erythrocytosis. These data suggest that dosing frequency, rather than total T dose, is an important factor in development of erythrocytosis in men on injectable TTh.


American Urological Association

According to this study someone on another forum posted, twice per week injections was associated with higher hematocrit than once per week injections. Anyone have any thoughts?
This is such a stupid study and meaningless, the once per week group were on 200mg/week, some the twice a week group could be on 320mg, I don’t think we need to be urologists to guess which group will have higher Hct,
 

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