Kyzatrex - sudden emptiness feeling in head

Jcilla · Jun 24, 2024

Hi all, after beginning kyzatrex, I’ve noticed I have moments in the day where my mind gets spacey and feels empty. I don’t know how to explain it well, but has anyone had similar symptoms? I wonder if it has to do with water intake and or diet?

Systemlord · Jun 24, 2024

Jcilla said:
Hi all, after beginning kyzatrex, I’ve noticed I have moments in the day where my mind gets spacey and feels empty.

You left out the most critical information, how long have you been on Kyzatrex?

What’s your dosage?

What are your hormone levels?

If you’re running low on iron, magnesium or any vitamin and mineral, that could cause all of your symptoms.

You should reach a steady state in seven days.

Jcilla · Jun 25, 2024

Systemlord said:
You left out the most critical information, how long have you been on Kyzatrex?

What’s your dosage?

What are your hormone levels?

If you’re running low on iron, magnesium or any vitamin and mineral, that could cause all of your symptoms.

You should reach a steady state in seven days.

I’ve been on it for about 5 weeks. I take 200mg, twice a day. I have been experimenting with dosing protocols, which may be the issue. I was reading about how some doctors suggest to take the second dose earlier so that the effects are felt throughout the day and during sleep as much. Maybe it’s too much for my body to use the morning/early afternoon protocol.

As far as levels, I just took a follow up blood test the other day and should have my results any time now.

Systemlord · Jun 25, 2024

Jcilla said:
I was reading about how some doctors suggest to take the second dose earlier so that the effects are felt throughout the day and during sleep as much.

I’m not a fan of this, kind of reminds me of 200 mg every two weeks. Keep it simple, dose to where you have consistency.

Jcilla · Jun 25, 2024

Systemlord said:
I’m not a fan of this, kind of reminds me of 200 mg every two weeks. Keep it simple, dose to where you have consistency.

Thanks I think I will try that and go back to every 12 hours.

davidandrade · Jun 29, 2024

Jcilla said:
Thanks I think I will try that and go back to every 12 hours.

I've felt this as well with Kyzatrex after being on it for a few weeks at 200mg BID. Are you feeling any improvement?

Jcilla · Jun 29, 2024

davidandrade said:
I've felt this as well with Kyzatrex after being on it for a few weeks at 200mg BID. Are you feeling any improvement?

My test level was fairly low on 200mg twice a day, so my doctor just pumped me up to 400mg twice a day. I have noticed less of this after I switched back to dosing 12 hours apart.

davidandrade · Jun 30, 2024

Jcilla said:
My test level was fairly low on 200mg twice a day, so my doctor just pumped me up to 400mg twice a day. I have noticed less of this after I switched back to dosing 12 hours apart.

Thanks for the update and glad you're feeling better!

Steve78 · Jan 18, 2025

Jcilla said:
My test level was fairly low on 200mg twice a day, so my doctor just pumped me up to 400mg twice a day. I have noticed less of this after I switched back to dosing 12 hours apart.

Any updates? Blood levels on 400 bid, still on kyzatrex?

WhatSayYou89 · Feb 24, 2025

I have this same mind spaceyness on Kyzatrex.

Doesnt feel like a high or low e2 type mental issues I just feel spaced out like I could stare out the window for hours.

Notice it happens around when the medicine is peaking

Hopefully this goes away after my body has gotten use to it.

Systemlord · Feb 25, 2025

WhatSayYou89 said:
I have this same mind spaceyness on Kyzatrex.

Doesnt feel like a high or low e2 type mental issues I just feel spaced out like I could stare out the window for hours.

Notice it happens around when the medicine is peaking

Hopefully this goes away after my body has gotten use to it.

I don't see why you can't do two different doses morning and night. 400 mg morning, 200 mg nightly.

WhatSayYou89 · Feb 25, 2025

Systemlord said:
I don't see why you can't do two different doses morning and night. 400 mg morning, 200 mg nightly.

I can & have.

For example only did 200mg this morning and no afternoon dose.

Doing trial and error atm, but the head spaciness is definitely when the medicine is starting to kick in and has kicked in.

Felt more like lethargy today.

Jim Marlowe · Feb 27, 2025

WhatSayYou89 said:
I have this same mind spaceyness on Kyzatrex.

Doesnt feel like a high or low e2 type mental issues I just feel spaced out like I could stare out the window for hours.

Notice it happens around when the medicine is peaking

Hopefully this goes away after my body has gotten use to it.

I'd be curious to know what DHT levels are at peak "spaciness."

WhatSayYou89 · Feb 27, 2025

Jim Marlowe said:
I'd be curious to know what DHT levels are at peak "spaciness."

Probably will get that tested when I do my first bloodwork on Kyzatrex.

However if u look back previously I tried taking pure DHT for awhile, have also taken products that raise dht such as Proviron, primo, masteron and didnt feel like this.

Steve78 · Feb 28, 2025

I gave up on kyzatrex and back on test cyp… my levels seemed to fluctuate too much

WhatSayYou89 · Feb 28, 2025

Ya I think I'm getting there as well.

I’m going to try a deca base version of hrt.

Jim Marlowe · Mar 1, 2025

WhatSayYou89 said:
Probably will get that tested when I do my first bloodwork on Kyzatrex.

However if u look back previously I tried taking pure DHT for awhile, have also taken products that raise dht such as Proviron, primo, masteron and didnt feel like this.

Right. My suspicion is that they are comparatively low. If you were "locked in," I would guess higher DHT (relative to just T levels). "Spaciness" I wonder is relatively low DHT. Just speculation.

AndrewP · Apr 7, 2025

Estrogen deficiency. Ultra high DHT competitively binds to receptors effectively blocking estrogen. It won't show up on a lab report, but it happens in the body.

Note: you'll find none one. No one ever. On a cream or gel who happens to take an AI who is not also experiencing extreme low estrogen symptoms. No knowledgeable practitioner prescribes both at the same time.

On this stuff you MUST maintain some natural product and NOT to high as the effective is magnified with more testosterone this DHT

Alternatively, high dose HCG + moderate dose Kyzatrex could be a pretty solid choice.

Jim Marlowe · Apr 8, 2025

AndrewP said:
Estrogen deficiency. Ultra high DHT competitively binds to receptors effectively blocking estrogen. It won't show up on a lab report, but it happens in the body.

Note: you'll find none one. No one ever. On a cream or gel who happens to take an AI who is not also experiencing extreme low estrogen symptoms. No knowledgeable practitioner prescribes both at the same time.

On this stuff you MUST maintain some natural product and NOT to high as the effective is magnified with more testosterone this DHT

Alternatively, high dose HCG + moderate dose Kyzatrex could be a pretty solid choice.

If DHT isn't tested, impossible to say. But I haven't heard that low estrogen (without an ai) causes "spaciness." I've heard the exact opposite: higher DHT improves thinking. That's what Hans Amato talks about.