Hair Laser Removal

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eli

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Would hair laser removal work just fine on us like it does on people who don't take hormones and other stuff? I know a few bodybuilder friends who got hair laser removal but not very good results, and they think it's because of all the hormones they use
 
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bluerage

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My wife doesn't take hormones but she still has hair growth despite regular treatments. I think a lot has to do with how hairy you are to start with, the colour of your hair and skin, and how course the hair is.
 

Vince

Super Moderator
I been on TRT for over 2 years, I have not noticed much extra hair growth. My beard may have become thicker and I've always had head hair loss.
I believe laser will permanently remove your hair and hair follicle.
 

eli

Active Member
^ That's actually not the case with 3 bodybuilders that I know. their hair grew back, not like before but to the point that it wasn't worth 5k doing their whole upper body... but then I hear success stories from guys who don't take any hormones lol
 

Vince

Super Moderator
^ That's actually not the case with 3 bodybuilders that I know. their hair grew back, not like before but to the point that it wasn't worth 5k doing their whole upper body... but then I hear success stories from guys who don't take any hormones lol
Yes, some men on TRT grow a lot of extra hair. I am not one of them.
 

madman

Super Moderator
Laser hair removal mainly causes an overall reduction in hair growth with chances of hair regrowth so follow up maintenance procedures are usually required where as electrolysis is more permanent. As for excess hair growth regarding trt some are more prone to excess hair growth mainly due to genetics.
 

Chananain

New Member
Of course, if a person is taking hormonal drugs, it affects the growth of body hair. The laser acts on the hair from the outside, after which the hair follicle begins to die off on the inside. And hormonal drugs affect the body from the inside. Therefore, your bodybuilder friend has hair growth after laser hair removal. I think laser hair removal is a great way to get rid of unwanted hair. I have sensitive skin, so I was afraid to use a laser, but Laser Hair Removal For All Skin Types - West London - Beaulaser Clinic are professionals. During the procedure, I did not feel pain or discomfort. 2 weeks after the first procedure, I realized that unwanted hair disappears.
 
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sammmy

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I've tried laser hair removal on beard below chin, hoping to avoid shaving. It burned the black hairs off, but they grew back in a few weeks - the laser is not directed enough to really destroy the hair follicles (it is not focused on a single follicle but on a whole area of skin) so it just slows the next growth. It does not work at all on white hairs.

Overall, if your hairs are all black, consider the laser hair "removal" as a longer lasting shave, but they will grow back. The price is often not sustainable in the long run.
 

sammmy

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Oh and I wasn't on any hormones, so the failure of laser hair removal was due to the method itself, not "the hormones". Basically, at the inflated prices it is offered and the overpromise for permanent hair removal, it is a scam.
 

Simbarn

Member
It is not a scam if the treatment is done correctly with the machines that do produce results.

I own a laser hair removal clinic in AU and we specialise in men’s hair removal. Guys who are on hormone therapy do tend to require more treatments to have a successful result. It is one of the questions we ask on our initial consent. The same can occur for women with polycystic ovary syndrome.

TRT can cause some of the vellus hairs to change more rapidly over time, these hairs turn into larger thicker terminal hairs from the added stimulation from androgen therapy and possible increase of DHT. This can depend on how much testosterone the patient is on also, some men are taking slightly higher levels of T than what their body may have produced naturally when healthy. This can cause an increase in body hair.

I am also on TRT, and have seen this first hand, I definitely noticed increased body hair growth on my body, which I have had treated at my clinic, it has also been resistant. However, since using a newer machine we acquired a few years ago: a European diode laser and shortening the time intervals between treatments we have been able to achieve excellent results even in these conditions.

For laser hair removal to be effective; regular treatments, the type of equipment being used and the competency of the technician is all important.

As men age, body hair can increase also, so even if most of the hair is removed for a guy in his twenties or thirties, more can develop and top up treatments can be required. This is generally not the case with pubic hair on the scrotum or penis, laser hair removal is very effective in these areas due to the thickness of the hair and its ability to conduct heat and damage the hair follicle. The finer the hair and the less pigment it has, the more difficult it is to treat.
 

sammmy

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Don't you just love it when "new members" with 1-2 posts appear just in time to tell us that "it is not a scam".

We were given the regular scamming line of the "beauty industry": you see, the "treatment works" but you have to do it 10 times every year and with the "newest best laser" because the old laser all of a sudden isn't as good as they claimed all those years i.e. they were lying to us as they are doing now. At last, blame the technician, doesn't matter that they will use the same automatic setting on the machine.

And yes, I was treated by the "newest European laser" at maximal settings, which produced only a temporary 1-2 months result. It's a billion dollar scam industry like the anti-wrinkle creams that always promise but never deliver.
 

Simbarn

Member
As I am very new to the forum I will handle the above response to my post with respect. I am sorry you have had a bad experience with the laser hair removal treatments that you personally have received.

Not sure where you had your treatments done or with what machine, but there can be a wide variation in results given all the different possibilities here. I have had almost 20 years of experience with all the different IPL/LASER technologies that have developed since then.

The machines that are available now are considerably better than what were available 10 years ago.

I have come to the forum to discuss subjects that are related to TRT and ED, both of which I have had years of experience with. I saw this post and thought I would reply as this is my line of work. I was able to offer some information as to why guys who are on TRT may find it more difficult to have success with laser hair reduction given the issue with hormone replacement. As I mentioned, being on TRT myself, I have even more understanding of the issue.

I understand your skepticism given I have just joined and I have not posted about something that is particularly pertinent to testosterone replacement or my own hormone dysfunction.
 
As I am very new to the forum I will handle the above response to my post with respect. I am sorry you have had a bad experience with the laser hair removal treatments that you personally have received.

Not sure where you had your treatments done or with what machine, but there can be a wide variation in results given all the different possibilities here. I have had almost 20 years of experience with all the different IPL/LASER technologies that have developed since then.

The machines that are available now are considerably better than what were available 10 years ago.

I have come to the forum to discuss subjects that are related to TRT and ED, both of which I have had years of experience with. I saw this post and thought I would reply as this is my line of work. I was able to offer some information as to why guys who are on TRT may find it more difficult to have success with laser hair reduction given the issue with hormone replacement. As I mentioned, being on TRT myself, I have even more understanding of the issue.

I understand your skepticism given I have just joined and I have not posted about something that is particularly pertinent to testosterone replacement or my own hormone dysfunction.
Are you able to tell us which laser removal machines would be best?
 

sammmy

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Ask them for a guarantee to return your money if the hairs grow back. No one will give you such a guarantee, which instantly tell you what kind of results they get.
 

sammmy

Well-Known Member
Every year it's the same baloney - they "discover a new more effective treatment". The laser that I did with a temporary effect was the latest European generation in 2018. It just burned the hairs and they grew again in a few weeks. You will have to constantly have "treatments" - it is a cash cow like almost anything in the "beauty industry".
 

Simbarn

Member
We have used diode lasers for the last 5 years. Had very good results with these. The one we use is very fast and powerful and can be used on a wide range of skin types:
Primelase by Cocoon medical in Spain.
Diode lasers are much more common in Europe I think, perhaps not so much in the US.
 

sammmy

Well-Known Member
The laser I did was Elysion-Pro which is "the flagship" of Cocoon Medical. Ask them for the time between separate treatments - that will tell you how fast the hairs grow and for how many treatment you have to pay each year. It is not permanent as they claim.

www.elysion.pro
 

sammmy

Well-Known Member
And it does NOT treat white hairs at ALL, despite them claiming "gray/white hairs are less sensitive to the laser". If you have a lot of white hairs, the procedure is pointless because it won't touch those. That's what happened under my chin. After a few weeks, the black hairs grew back so it was a total waste of time and money.
 

Simbarn

Member
Sammy, if laser hair removal did not produce results to the extent you mention on most people, it would not be so popular in the country I live and work in. Clinics performing the procedure would also eventually close due to loss of business.

Correct, lasers cannot treat grey, blond or red hair. The clinic performing your treatments should have told you this.
It sounds like you had just one treatment? What areas did you try and treat?
The Elysion Pro is not the flagship of Cocoons models. The Primelase is.

For laser hair removal to be effective the individual hair needs to be connected to the blood supply so that the laser can damage the hair follicle sufficiently and then die. Only a proportion of hair follicles in any given area are in this state at a time. Time intervals between treatments are very important for this reason. It is the heat generated by the laser that travels down the hair shaft and causes damage to this blood supply for the hair follicle. If insufficient heat is reaching this part of the hair follicle it will not cause sufficient damage to this blood supply. Therefore if an inexperienced operator is using the equipment, they may not be using the correct settings for optimal results. The patients skin type can affect the treatment also, the power of the machine needs to be adjusted carefully for people with darker skin types. We do not treat people with a skin type 5 or 6 and need to be very careful with skin type 4.

Even for myself, given my T replacement, which caused hair to grow all over my back and shoulders, which I did not have before TRT; laser has removed 90 percent of it. It has taken many treatments, as back hair on a male taking testosterone can be very resistant to treatment.
The very sparse hair that is left now is very fine and greys which laser cannot treat.

Unfortunately there will be a cohort of the population that will not get the same result as others do. This can occur for medical procedures and medications also, which most medical professionals will advise before treatment.

For example, a drug that is commonly discussed here: HCG, can work very well for some men, increase testicular size and generate minimal estrogenic side effects, whilst other men experience many side effects and it loses effectiveness quite quickly. We do not say HCG does not work, nor do we say we can offer a guarantee that it will work for every male that tries it.

Pharmacy’s do not offer a money back guarantee for Cialis or Viagra, saying if you do not have a successful erection lasting at least 30 minutes for penetrative sex, we will refund your money!

There will always be some people for whom a particular therapy does not produce the same result as the next person, sometimes for unknown reason. This is the nature of the human body.
 
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