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Worst case of trying out TRT for 6 months?
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<blockquote data-quote="S1W" data-source="post: 162515" data-attributes="member: 16947"><p>The cynic in me would say more money for these clinics. Thinking about higher doses, if you're a lifetime patient and need ___ more refills over say a 35 year period due to higher overall dose, that adds up to a lot of money. The cynic in me would also say the same thing about AI and HCG - why sell just one drug when you can sell 3?</p><p></p><p>Trying to be fair, it may be that guys read bro science on the internet and think that they absolutely need an AI or HCG with T and expect to be offered those things. And the clinics are just trying to meet expectations and have happy customers.</p><p></p><p>As for Defy, they did not start me on an AI and I don't think that is their norm FWIW. And I've been very happy with them. They do sometimes start guys on what seem like high doses, but again, that wasn't my experience and I feel like I'm in very good hands with their staff.</p><p></p><p>As to why to start with T only: AIs make a some guys feel terrible. I'm one of them. HCG also doesn't sit well with me. So suppose you're like me and also don't do well with those drugs, start TRT with all 3, and say "hey I feel like crap" - maybe you would have been fine with just T, but now how can you tell what the real problem is? Is your T dose too low/too high, or is HCG dose too low/too high, or maybe the AI is tanking your E2? Having 3 variables right out of the gates sets you up for a long road of trial and error IMHO.</p><p></p><p>Starting low and going slow with T only is the way to do it. And FYI I don't really consider 100mg/week to be "low" - it's just a good starting point. Then once you get settled into that and have some labs, you can increase/decrease your T dose and see how that feels. Once T dose is totally dialed in, then you can add HCG if you feel like you need it, same for AI. And going about it this way, you'll know exactly how the HCG and the AI are affecting you.</p><p></p><p>And don't worry about your balls disappearing because you didn't use HCG or growing D cups because you didn't use an AI.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="S1W, post: 162515, member: 16947"] The cynic in me would say more money for these clinics. Thinking about higher doses, if you're a lifetime patient and need ___ more refills over say a 35 year period due to higher overall dose, that adds up to a lot of money. The cynic in me would also say the same thing about AI and HCG - why sell just one drug when you can sell 3? Trying to be fair, it may be that guys read bro science on the internet and think that they absolutely need an AI or HCG with T and expect to be offered those things. And the clinics are just trying to meet expectations and have happy customers. As for Defy, they did not start me on an AI and I don't think that is their norm FWIW. And I've been very happy with them. They do sometimes start guys on what seem like high doses, but again, that wasn't my experience and I feel like I'm in very good hands with their staff. As to why to start with T only: AIs make a some guys feel terrible. I'm one of them. HCG also doesn't sit well with me. So suppose you're like me and also don't do well with those drugs, start TRT with all 3, and say "hey I feel like crap" - maybe you would have been fine with just T, but now how can you tell what the real problem is? Is your T dose too low/too high, or is HCG dose too low/too high, or maybe the AI is tanking your E2? Having 3 variables right out of the gates sets you up for a long road of trial and error IMHO. Starting low and going slow with T only is the way to do it. And FYI I don't really consider 100mg/week to be "low" - it's just a good starting point. Then once you get settled into that and have some labs, you can increase/decrease your T dose and see how that feels. Once T dose is totally dialed in, then you can add HCG if you feel like you need it, same for AI. And going about it this way, you'll know exactly how the HCG and the AI are affecting you. And don't worry about your balls disappearing because you didn't use HCG or growing D cups because you didn't use an AI. [/QUOTE]
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