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I think you misunderstood my reference to Ronnie and Dorian.  I meant they are examples of bodybuilders who paid the price for extremes in heavy training.  Be it so called heavy duty or whatever.   Dorian seems to have fared better long-term since he got out sooner.   Nowadays I see fewer bodybuilders trying crazy stuff.  There seems to be a higher recognition of injury risks.

Powerlifters are very sophisticated and scientific.  I'm not arguing that.   But bodybuilding is a different endeavor in every way.