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Water Retention and Rapid Weight Gain Caused by Testosterone
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<blockquote data-quote="Nelson Vergel" data-source="post: 148667" data-attributes="member: 3"><p>Swelling is one of TRT's most troublesome and hard to manage side effects. It occurs (in my estimate) to about 20 percent of users. The potential causes could be cortisol build up, increase sodium retention, in rare cases high estradiol, or cardiovascular issues. I am enclosing several posts on these issues.</p><p></p><p>Most cases of lower extremity (peripheral) edema has nothing to do with estradiol and a lot to do with cardiovascular issues. My number one suggestion if edema does not get better after a month on TRT is to get a full cardio work up by a cardiologist.</p><p></p><p>Some men report decreased edema after a short cycle of a diuretic like HTZ, so that is something to explore. Low sodium intake and plenty of water plus cardio may also help. Cardio exercise and sweating in a sauna have also been reported to help. But these are speculations that should not replace a good cardiovascular work up.</p><p></p><p>Pulmonary hypertension caused by sleep apnea has also been reported as a cause.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.aafp.org/afp/2006/0215/p589.html" target="_blank">Obstructive Sleep Apnea Associated with Leg Edema</a></p><p></p><p>"A common but under-recognized cause of edema is pulmonary hypertension, which is often associated with sleep apnea. Venous insufficiency is treated with leg elevation, compressive stockings, and sometimes diuretics. The initial treatment of idiopathic edema is spironolactone. Patients who have findings consistent with sleep apnea, such as daytime somnolence, load snoring, or neck circumference >17 inches, should be evaluated for pulmonary hypertension with an echocardiogram."</p><p></p><p><strong><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?2910-edema-swelling-what-is-the-cause" target="_blank">edema[swelling] what is the cause</a></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?1735-Ankle-swelling-after-starting-testosterone-injections" target="_blank">Ankle swelling after starting testosterone injections</a></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/how-many-of-you-are-on-diuretics-for-water-retention-ontrt.11001/" target="_blank">How many of you are on Diuretics for water retention onTRT?</a> </strong></p><p></p><p>Here are excerpts from an interesting paper:</p><p></p><p>"This is the first controlled study demonstrating that testosterone increases extracellular water ECW. Previous data concerning the effects of testosterone on plasma volume (19, 20) and urinary sodium excretion (18, 21) are limited and conflicting. The underlying mechanism is unknown, but several possibilities exist. <strong>Testosterone could act directly on the kidney, because androgen receptors are expressed in renal tubules</strong> (31). There is evidence that androgens stimulate the expression of the angiotensinogen gene in the kidney (32, 33). Therefore, androgens could activate the local renal RAAS<strong> to stimulate sodium and water retention through an autocrine or paracrine mechanism</strong> (34). The epithelial sodium channel plays an important role in the sodium balance, as demonstrated by genetic abnormalities in its activity, such as in Liddle's syndrome (35). It has recently been reported that androgens increase mRNA expression of the &#945;-subunit of the epithelial sodium channel in a human renal cell line (36), <strong>providing a potential mechanism of sodium and water retention by testosterone.</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Plasma aldosterone Aldo levels fell significantly during testosterone treatment</strong>, whereas a modest fall, which failed to reach significance, occurred during GH treatment. During combined treatments, a significant fall in Aldo was also observed. The uniform trend toward a fall in Aldo levels observed with single and combined treatments suggests an adaptive response to ECW expansion. The observation that the fall in Aldo was greater in the presence of testosterone suggests that additional androgen-mediated mechanisms are probably involved. Androgen receptors have been identified in human adrenocortical cells and appear to exert an inhibitory influence. <em>In vitro</em> studies have demonstrated that testosterone reduced the proliferation of human adrenal adenoma and adrenocortical cancer cell lines (38). It is possible that testosterone directly suppresses Aldo biosynthesis or secretion, but this remains to be demonstrated.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldosterone" target="_blank">More on aldosterone</a></p><p></p><p>The effects of testosterone on the volume and distribution of ECW <strong>could theoretically occur secondary to aromatization to estrogen in peripheral tissues.</strong> <strong>Estrogen may cause fluid retention through reduction of the plasma antidiuretic hormone (arginine vasopressin)-plasma osmolality set point (39, 40) or stimulating the synthesis of hepatic angiotensinogen (41), enhancing the overall activity of RAAS and leading to sodium retention.</strong> However, <strong>this postulate is not supported</strong> by the observation that urinary sodium excretion is increased during oral contraceptive use (42) or that the plasma renin concentration is reduced in women receiving estrogen treatment (43). Moreover, estrogen reduces the plasma renin concentration, the activity of angiotensin-converting enzyme, and the Aldo response to angiotensin II (44, 45). <strong>These actions of estrogen putatively generated from aromatization of androgens could explain the slight reduction in plasma Aldo levels in response to testosterone in our study." <a href="https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/90/7/3989/2837248/Independent-and-Combined-Effects-of-Testosterone" target="_blank">Source</a></strong></p><p></p><p>I notice that I hold more water when I eat higher sodium foods, drink alcohol, and skip the gym for more than 3 days. Higher simple carb intake also worsens water retention. I weigh myself every morning. If I am not careful, I can gain 3-4 pounds of water in 1 or 2 days. Not drinking enough water also makes the body retain water. My kidney function (eGFR) is good (80).</p><p></p><p>I think decreasing sodium and sweets intake, increasing water consumption, and doing some cardio are ways to control water weight. If it gets bad, the use of a diuretic only once can stabilize this issue during days where I go off the wagon at my family's parties.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nelson Vergel, post: 148667, member: 3"] Swelling is one of TRT's most troublesome and hard to manage side effects. It occurs (in my estimate) to about 20 percent of users. The potential causes could be cortisol build up, increase sodium retention, in rare cases high estradiol, or cardiovascular issues. I am enclosing several posts on these issues. Most cases of lower extremity (peripheral) edema has nothing to do with estradiol and a lot to do with cardiovascular issues. My number one suggestion if edema does not get better after a month on TRT is to get a full cardio work up by a cardiologist. Some men report decreased edema after a short cycle of a diuretic like HTZ, so that is something to explore. Low sodium intake and plenty of water plus cardio may also help. Cardio exercise and sweating in a sauna have also been reported to help. But these are speculations that should not replace a good cardiovascular work up. Pulmonary hypertension caused by sleep apnea has also been reported as a cause. [URL='http://www.aafp.org/afp/2006/0215/p589.html']Obstructive Sleep Apnea Associated with Leg Edema[/URL] "A common but under-recognized cause of edema is pulmonary hypertension, which is often associated with sleep apnea. Venous insufficiency is treated with leg elevation, compressive stockings, and sometimes diuretics. The initial treatment of idiopathic edema is spironolactone. Patients who have findings consistent with sleep apnea, such as daytime somnolence, load snoring, or neck circumference >17 inches, should be evaluated for pulmonary hypertension with an echocardiogram." [B][URL='https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?2910-edema-swelling-what-is-the-cause']edema[swelling] what is the cause[/URL][/B] [B][URL='https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?1735-Ankle-swelling-after-starting-testosterone-injections']Ankle swelling after starting testosterone injections[/URL][/B] [B][URL="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/how-many-of-you-are-on-diuretics-for-water-retention-ontrt.11001/"]How many of you are on Diuretics for water retention onTRT?[/URL] [/B] Here are excerpts from an interesting paper: "This is the first controlled study demonstrating that testosterone increases extracellular water ECW. Previous data concerning the effects of testosterone on plasma volume (19, 20) and urinary sodium excretion (18, 21) are limited and conflicting. The underlying mechanism is unknown, but several possibilities exist. [B]Testosterone could act directly on the kidney, because androgen receptors are expressed in renal tubules[/B] (31). There is evidence that androgens stimulate the expression of the angiotensinogen gene in the kidney (32, 33). Therefore, androgens could activate the local renal RAAS[B] to stimulate sodium and water retention through an autocrine or paracrine mechanism[/B] (34). The epithelial sodium channel plays an important role in the sodium balance, as demonstrated by genetic abnormalities in its activity, such as in Liddle's syndrome (35). It has recently been reported that androgens increase mRNA expression of the α-subunit of the epithelial sodium channel in a human renal cell line (36), [B]providing a potential mechanism of sodium and water retention by testosterone.[/B] [B]Plasma aldosterone Aldo levels fell significantly during testosterone treatment[/B], whereas a modest fall, which failed to reach significance, occurred during GH treatment. During combined treatments, a significant fall in Aldo was also observed. The uniform trend toward a fall in Aldo levels observed with single and combined treatments suggests an adaptive response to ECW expansion. The observation that the fall in Aldo was greater in the presence of testosterone suggests that additional androgen-mediated mechanisms are probably involved. Androgen receptors have been identified in human adrenocortical cells and appear to exert an inhibitory influence. [I]In vitro[/I] studies have demonstrated that testosterone reduced the proliferation of human adrenal adenoma and adrenocortical cancer cell lines (38). It is possible that testosterone directly suppresses Aldo biosynthesis or secretion, but this remains to be demonstrated. [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldosterone']More on aldosterone[/URL] The effects of testosterone on the volume and distribution of ECW [B]could theoretically occur secondary to aromatization to estrogen in peripheral tissues.[/B] [B]Estrogen may cause fluid retention through reduction of the plasma antidiuretic hormone (arginine vasopressin)-plasma osmolality set point (39, 40) or stimulating the synthesis of hepatic angiotensinogen (41), enhancing the overall activity of RAAS and leading to sodium retention.[/B] However, [B]this postulate is not supported[/B] by the observation that urinary sodium excretion is increased during oral contraceptive use (42) or that the plasma renin concentration is reduced in women receiving estrogen treatment (43). Moreover, estrogen reduces the plasma renin concentration, the activity of angiotensin-converting enzyme, and the Aldo response to angiotensin II (44, 45). [B]These actions of estrogen putatively generated from aromatization of androgens could explain the slight reduction in plasma Aldo levels in response to testosterone in our study." [URL='https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/90/7/3989/2837248/Independent-and-Combined-Effects-of-Testosterone']Source[/URL][/B] I notice that I hold more water when I eat higher sodium foods, drink alcohol, and skip the gym for more than 3 days. Higher simple carb intake also worsens water retention. I weigh myself every morning. If I am not careful, I can gain 3-4 pounds of water in 1 or 2 days. Not drinking enough water also makes the body retain water. My kidney function (eGFR) is good (80). I think decreasing sodium and sweets intake, increasing water consumption, and doing some cardio are ways to control water weight. If it gets bad, the use of a diuretic only once can stabilize this issue during days where I go off the wagon at my family's parties. [/QUOTE]
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