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UPDATE // New Member w/TRT protocol from Defy. Please compare, critique and advise!
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<blockquote data-quote="WrenchHead80" data-source="post: 117581" data-attributes="member: 17451"><p>No, while I was on your protocol M/W/F 50mg test C and HCG Tue/Thur/Sat 330IU's I was taking .25mg AI Mon and Thurs for a while. I decided I wanted to try and lower it and see how I felt. I felt better with the lower dose of .25 ONCE a week. Technically it would have been wiser to split the .25mg pills so I'd take one .125mg pill say Mon and another on Thurs but I only had .25mg pills. I stayed like that for around 3 to 4 weeks before switching to my new daily protocol. So i'd say I had a long enough ride "steady state" on the lesser AI dose to confirm it was better for me and THAT protocol. RIGHT NOW since I've started daily I haven't taken any AI pills.</p><p></p><p>Iv'e learned a lot here from a member named MadMan and I've heard him mention the Crisler dr so I checked it out and liked his idea of not just treating a number but your symptoms which MadMan has mentioned as well. Others have mentioned the same thing, you can't just go by your numbers, it matters how you feel also. So I wanted to see how I'd felt with a slightly higher E. I felt better. Wasn't "oh my God better", but it was a improvement and I liked the idea of taking lessor AI if possible.</p><p></p><p>In your case and I'm only guessing here on everything I have read and seen others take for a certain dose, I'd say you will probably have to take some amount of AI. Your not exactly taking a small dose like 100mg total a week of test. Either .125mg twice or three times a week if I had to guess you'll need to take. BUT everyone is different so you never know. My only suggestion to you being you want to take as little AI as possible is switch your HCG days to the day BEFORE your test shot. If you take both the same day the next day they begin to hit at the same time so your more likely to have conversion to E. If you took the HCG the day before your test it would hit the day you would inject your T but the T shot wouldn't hit till the following day. Hope I explained that in a way you understand lol. Read this...</p><p></p><p><a href="http://drjohncrisler.com/the-crisler-hcg-protocol---part-deux.html" target="_blank">http://drjohncrisler.com/the-crisler-hcg-protocol---part-deux.html</a></p><p></p><p>"If you are taking test cyp shots twice per week, and want to take HCG similarly, take the HCG (250-500iu) the day before the test cyp shot, each time. We don’t want to unnecessarily stack the HCG on top of the test cyp shot. If you are doing QOD or even daily test cyp shots (some actually do), it won’t matter."</p><p></p><p>May not be that much of a benefit since your doing three days a week but it may help if you don't mind the schedule (pinning almost everyday).</p><p></p><p>Yes your body needs "at least" 6 weeks to find a new standard. You should try to ride it out and not think too much. I know its easier to say then to do lol, but try. Taking that one AI pill and saying you felt better within two hours I have to think it was more in your head since I don't think it would have worked that fast. So that just shows you how powerful your mind is. Stay positive and think about how much better your going to feel as time goes on.</p><p></p><p>I'm glad your feeling better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WrenchHead80, post: 117581, member: 17451"] No, while I was on your protocol M/W/F 50mg test C and HCG Tue/Thur/Sat 330IU's I was taking .25mg AI Mon and Thurs for a while. I decided I wanted to try and lower it and see how I felt. I felt better with the lower dose of .25 ONCE a week. Technically it would have been wiser to split the .25mg pills so I'd take one .125mg pill say Mon and another on Thurs but I only had .25mg pills. I stayed like that for around 3 to 4 weeks before switching to my new daily protocol. So i'd say I had a long enough ride "steady state" on the lesser AI dose to confirm it was better for me and THAT protocol. RIGHT NOW since I've started daily I haven't taken any AI pills. Iv'e learned a lot here from a member named MadMan and I've heard him mention the Crisler dr so I checked it out and liked his idea of not just treating a number but your symptoms which MadMan has mentioned as well. Others have mentioned the same thing, you can't just go by your numbers, it matters how you feel also. So I wanted to see how I'd felt with a slightly higher E. I felt better. Wasn't "oh my God better", but it was a improvement and I liked the idea of taking lessor AI if possible. In your case and I'm only guessing here on everything I have read and seen others take for a certain dose, I'd say you will probably have to take some amount of AI. Your not exactly taking a small dose like 100mg total a week of test. Either .125mg twice or three times a week if I had to guess you'll need to take. BUT everyone is different so you never know. My only suggestion to you being you want to take as little AI as possible is switch your HCG days to the day BEFORE your test shot. If you take both the same day the next day they begin to hit at the same time so your more likely to have conversion to E. If you took the HCG the day before your test it would hit the day you would inject your T but the T shot wouldn't hit till the following day. Hope I explained that in a way you understand lol. Read this... [URL]http://drjohncrisler.com/the-crisler-hcg-protocol---part-deux.html[/URL] "If you are taking test cyp shots twice per week, and want to take HCG similarly, take the HCG (250-500iu) the day before the test cyp shot, each time. We don’t want to unnecessarily stack the HCG on top of the test cyp shot. If you are doing QOD or even daily test cyp shots (some actually do), it won’t matter." May not be that much of a benefit since your doing three days a week but it may help if you don't mind the schedule (pinning almost everyday). Yes your body needs "at least" 6 weeks to find a new standard. You should try to ride it out and not think too much. I know its easier to say then to do lol, but try. Taking that one AI pill and saying you felt better within two hours I have to think it was more in your head since I don't think it would have worked that fast. So that just shows you how powerful your mind is. Stay positive and think about how much better your going to feel as time goes on. I'm glad your feeling better. [/QUOTE]
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