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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
TRT to Supraphysiological Levels for Body Building
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<blockquote data-quote="xqfq" data-source="post: 229060" data-attributes="member: 38167"><p>This is a fairly old thread, but wanted to respond to OP's question with my own opinion.</p><p></p><p>Simply put, I don't think that TRT at supraphysiological levels (let's call it "sports TRT") is going to give you what you're looking for, long term. You will gain some immediate water weight and intramuscular glycogen and make some lean muscle gains over the next ~6 months assuming you are regularly weight lifting.</p><p></p><p>But then those gains will stop. At least the 'bump', fast, immediate-kind of muscle gains. Yes, you will have more muscle mass than the you-without-testosterone. But you won't look like a bodybuilder unless you already kinda look like a bodybuilder (or you did a lot of weight lifting years ago / have muscle-memory).</p><p></p><p>Then you will be back at square one. You'll have to ask yourself if you want to keep lifting and making gains the old fashioned way: progressive overload, rest, food, repeat. Year after year after year, for the rest of your life.</p><p></p><p>If what's motivating you keep working out hard, keep eating well, keep yourself on track is the idea that you're going to gain muscle faster with testosterone, that motivation will soon dissipate even on a high-end steady testosterone protocol because the easy gains will tap out.</p><p></p><p>All you'll do is reset your natural baseline to a higher level[1]. These studies showing the gain in lean muscle mass between, say, 120mg/week and 300mg/week and 600mg/week in young men - they are looking at shorter time frames. They're looking at what I'd consider this 'baseline'.</p><p></p><p>Now you might say you're not looking to look like a bodybuilder (you say you are looking to build a great body). With all respect, you say you've really only been lifting properly for six months. That is <strong>nothing</strong>.</p><p></p><p>When you see really jacked / in shape guys who say they're on TRT, they are almost always:</p><p></p><p>1. Lying. Have been taking much more than you think.</p><p>2. Have taken a lots of anabolics in the past to build a lot of muscle but now maintain it on more TRT-style doses.</p><p>3. They have been lifting for years and years. Either before they were on TRT or after being on TRT.</p><p>4. Genetically gifted. This <em>usually</em> doesn't have to do with "they gained way more muscle than most people" but rather how someone's muscle insertions / skeletal structure is - stuff you really can't change even with drugs.</p><p></p><p>Even with heavy, abusive-level usage of anabolic steroids, building a good physique takes a long time. Then you need to keep it. I know guys who take 500mg/week of testosterone year round with various other anabolics and look like they don't even lift. They certainly don't look like ripped Hollywood actors or models.</p><p></p><p>What's happened is that for various YouTube / Instagram influencers, saying they are on TRT has become acceptable, which IMO is a good thing. So they are more open about it. But they usually fall into one of the above categories.</p><p></p><p>You need to fall in love with the process itself of bodybuilding or you'll never really keep a good physique.</p><p></p><p>--</p><p></p><p>Anyway, so another option is to be more honest about what you want. It sounds like you want to build a lot of muscle in a short period of time. Which would not really happen with "TRT Plus." To do that you'd need to take large doses of anabolics for long periods of time (either in cycles or continuously).</p><p></p><p>Aka "doing steroids." Which is a totally valid thing to do but I think you need to be honest with yourself about what you want and what the accompanying risk is. Otherwise you may end up neither here nor there.</p><p></p><p>Beyond health risks, you should keep in mind that while you will grow more muscle in a short period of time, you will face these same issues afterward. You may develop a distorted view of lifting and not find going to the gym all the time, dieting / eating right, etc fun unless you're on large doses of anabolics to grow muscle.</p><p></p><p>All -- and I mean all -- of my college friends who took anabolics no longer lift.</p><p></p><p>So I really think there's no free lunch, long term. Even if you take these 600mg/week doses like in these studies, you need progressive overload and good diet to keep building lean muscle mass year after year.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>This is a great video of a young YouTube fitness influencer who decided to go on TRT to help gain muscle. It's really worth a watch:</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]9rH_aXpA9VI[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind this guy looked really good before TRT. He was lifting for years naturally. On TRT (which was probably on the generous end, like what you're thinking of) he gained a little bit more muscle, looked a little bit better. But he already looked really good. He came to the realization that in order to keep gaining lots of muscle he would have to do what he was doing before as a natural..or start blasting large doses of anabolic steroids.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>If this was a bodybuilding forum then I'd ask you to post a picture because you can kinda get a feel for where someone is at from it. </p><p></p><p>1. This is a simplification but I hope everyone knows what I'm getting at</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xqfq, post: 229060, member: 38167"] This is a fairly old thread, but wanted to respond to OP's question with my own opinion. Simply put, I don't think that TRT at supraphysiological levels (let's call it "sports TRT") is going to give you what you're looking for, long term. You will gain some immediate water weight and intramuscular glycogen and make some lean muscle gains over the next ~6 months assuming you are regularly weight lifting. But then those gains will stop. At least the 'bump', fast, immediate-kind of muscle gains. Yes, you will have more muscle mass than the you-without-testosterone. But you won't look like a bodybuilder unless you already kinda look like a bodybuilder (or you did a lot of weight lifting years ago / have muscle-memory). Then you will be back at square one. You'll have to ask yourself if you want to keep lifting and making gains the old fashioned way: progressive overload, rest, food, repeat. Year after year after year, for the rest of your life. If what's motivating you keep working out hard, keep eating well, keep yourself on track is the idea that you're going to gain muscle faster with testosterone, that motivation will soon dissipate even on a high-end steady testosterone protocol because the easy gains will tap out. All you'll do is reset your natural baseline to a higher level[1]. These studies showing the gain in lean muscle mass between, say, 120mg/week and 300mg/week and 600mg/week in young men - they are looking at shorter time frames. They're looking at what I'd consider this 'baseline'. Now you might say you're not looking to look like a bodybuilder (you say you are looking to build a great body). With all respect, you say you've really only been lifting properly for six months. That is [B]nothing[/B]. When you see really jacked / in shape guys who say they're on TRT, they are almost always: 1. Lying. Have been taking much more than you think. 2. Have taken a lots of anabolics in the past to build a lot of muscle but now maintain it on more TRT-style doses. 3. They have been lifting for years and years. Either before they were on TRT or after being on TRT. 4. Genetically gifted. This [I]usually[/I] doesn't have to do with "they gained way more muscle than most people" but rather how someone's muscle insertions / skeletal structure is - stuff you really can't change even with drugs. Even with heavy, abusive-level usage of anabolic steroids, building a good physique takes a long time. Then you need to keep it. I know guys who take 500mg/week of testosterone year round with various other anabolics and look like they don't even lift. They certainly don't look like ripped Hollywood actors or models. What's happened is that for various YouTube / Instagram influencers, saying they are on TRT has become acceptable, which IMO is a good thing. So they are more open about it. But they usually fall into one of the above categories. You need to fall in love with the process itself of bodybuilding or you'll never really keep a good physique. -- Anyway, so another option is to be more honest about what you want. It sounds like you want to build a lot of muscle in a short period of time. Which would not really happen with "TRT Plus." To do that you'd need to take large doses of anabolics for long periods of time (either in cycles or continuously). Aka "doing steroids." Which is a totally valid thing to do but I think you need to be honest with yourself about what you want and what the accompanying risk is. Otherwise you may end up neither here nor there. Beyond health risks, you should keep in mind that while you will grow more muscle in a short period of time, you will face these same issues afterward. You may develop a distorted view of lifting and not find going to the gym all the time, dieting / eating right, etc fun unless you're on large doses of anabolics to grow muscle. All -- and I mean all -- of my college friends who took anabolics no longer lift. So I really think there's no free lunch, long term. Even if you take these 600mg/week doses like in these studies, you need progressive overload and good diet to keep building lean muscle mass year after year. --- This is a great video of a young YouTube fitness influencer who decided to go on TRT to help gain muscle. It's really worth a watch: [MEDIA=youtube]9rH_aXpA9VI[/MEDIA] Keep in mind this guy looked really good before TRT. He was lifting for years naturally. On TRT (which was probably on the generous end, like what you're thinking of) he gained a little bit more muscle, looked a little bit better. But he already looked really good. He came to the realization that in order to keep gaining lots of muscle he would have to do what he was doing before as a natural..or start blasting large doses of anabolic steroids. --- If this was a bodybuilding forum then I'd ask you to post a picture because you can kinda get a feel for where someone is at from it. 1. This is a simplification but I hope everyone knows what I'm getting at [/QUOTE]
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