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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
TRT to Supraphysiological Levels for Body Building
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<blockquote data-quote="tareload" data-source="post: 216594"><p>I never took a moment to recognize your well-written posts and good grammar. It's clear you are really put in the effort here. I appreciate that.</p><p></p><p>Inherent in your paragraph above is a few assumptions, assumptions that may get you in trouble when you start considering the path of using (some might call it abuse, but hey let's just leave that alone here) exogenous testosterone for years. No judgment from me here.</p><p></p><p>Here's some that come to mind:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bloodwork will pick up <strong>all</strong> the adverse effects that may be in play</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You are getting bloodwork on such a regular basis that If you do pick something up on the bloodwork, there will be minimal damage.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">If you do see something on the bloodwork you won't rationalize and will take immediate corrective action.</li> </ol><p>There's probably some more but let's start with those. </p><p></p><p>Regarding #1, bloodwork on its own isn't going to pick up morphological changes to your heart, fibrosis of the heart muscle, changes in the hemodynamics of your heart chambers. You'll need regular EKG/echocardiograms to monitor this (<em>you keep omitting these in your responses</em>). I guess you'd also be taking your blood pressure regularly. <em> You don't know from the get go how sensitive your critical muscle is to exogenous androgen use.</em></p><p></p><p>How about potential autonomic dysfunction? Will you be tracking HRV (heart rate variability) from baseline accurately to see if there's an issue? HRR (heart rate recovery)? Using a fitbit or some other tracker? There are subtle changes that may happen over time.</p><p></p><p>Regarding #3, mental effects, neuronal damage, addiction (we touched on this)? If you see negative impacts do you have the mental ability to change course? Do you have body dysmorphia?</p><p></p><p>I'm skipping over all the standard cosmetic stuff and other organs (big assumptions here).</p><p></p><p>Will use of exogenous testosterone open up the potential gateway to using other AAS (nandrolone, oxandrolone, stanozolol, HGH) that are legally available by Rx in the US (assuming US location)? Remember, you are after the gainz. So what's the harm in throwing in a little extra boost?</p><p></p><p>Alot to consider before flipping the switch and going down the (in this case) voluntary <strong>TRT</strong>/TOT/<strong>TRT</strong>+, etc, etc. path. Of course I should omit<strong> TRT</strong> from the last sentence. There is nothing for you to replace in a strictly clinical context so make sure you really know what you are doing before you do it (which is impossible since you don't know how you will respond a priori).</p><p></p><p>I pretty meticulously tracked bloodwork, echos, etc and still ran into trouble. But that's me. Maybe you would be different. Anyway food for thought.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tareload, post: 216594"] I never took a moment to recognize your well-written posts and good grammar. It's clear you are really put in the effort here. I appreciate that. Inherent in your paragraph above is a few assumptions, assumptions that may get you in trouble when you start considering the path of using (some might call it abuse, but hey let's just leave that alone here) exogenous testosterone for years. No judgment from me here. Here's some that come to mind: [LIST=1] [*]Bloodwork will pick up [B]all[/B] the adverse effects that may be in play [*]You are getting bloodwork on such a regular basis that If you do pick something up on the bloodwork, there will be minimal damage. [*]If you do see something on the bloodwork you won't rationalize and will take immediate corrective action. [/LIST] There's probably some more but let's start with those. Regarding #1, bloodwork on its own isn't going to pick up morphological changes to your heart, fibrosis of the heart muscle, changes in the hemodynamics of your heart chambers. You'll need regular EKG/echocardiograms to monitor this ([I]you keep omitting these in your responses[/I]). I guess you'd also be taking your blood pressure regularly. [I] You don't know from the get go how sensitive your critical muscle is to exogenous androgen use.[/I] How about potential autonomic dysfunction? Will you be tracking HRV (heart rate variability) from baseline accurately to see if there's an issue? HRR (heart rate recovery)? Using a fitbit or some other tracker? There are subtle changes that may happen over time. Regarding #3, mental effects, neuronal damage, addiction (we touched on this)? If you see negative impacts do you have the mental ability to change course? Do you have body dysmorphia? I'm skipping over all the standard cosmetic stuff and other organs (big assumptions here). Will use of exogenous testosterone open up the potential gateway to using other AAS (nandrolone, oxandrolone, stanozolol, HGH) that are legally available by Rx in the US (assuming US location)? Remember, you are after the gainz. So what's the harm in throwing in a little extra boost? Alot to consider before flipping the switch and going down the (in this case) voluntary [B]TRT[/B]/TOT/[B]TRT[/B]+, etc, etc. path. Of course I should omit[B] TRT[/B] from the last sentence. There is nothing for you to replace in a strictly clinical context so make sure you really know what you are doing before you do it (which is impossible since you don't know how you will respond a priori). I pretty meticulously tracked bloodwork, echos, etc and still ran into trouble. But that's me. Maybe you would be different. Anyway food for thought. [/QUOTE]
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