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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 210417" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>ND binds more strongly to the AR of muscle tissue.</p><p></p><p>Would not fret over such.</p><p></p><p>180 mg T/week + 750 IU hCG 3x/week most likely has your trough FT very high.</p><p></p><p>Post labs trough TT, FT, estradiol, DHT, hemoglobin/hematocrit?</p><p></p><p>Would be wise to know where your levels truly sit before dropping your T dose drastically 180 mg---90 mg/week.</p><p></p><p>If you feel great overall, blood markers are healthy, minus sides and it works for you stick with it.</p><p></p><p>Would most likely feel just as good running the hCG 250-500 IU 2-3/week.</p><p></p><p>750 IU 3x/week would be overkill for most.</p><p></p><p>Most use ND for relief/improvement of bone/joint pain and the therapeutic dose is 50-100 mg ND/week.</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind that on trt we are using therapeutic doses (50-100 mg/week) of ND and some may run slightly higher levels.</p><p></p><p>Again the majority are using it for relief/improvement of joint/bone pain and adding it to their trt protocol.</p><p></p><p>The small pilot study from Lipscultz had men that were on a T-only protocol (100/200 mg/week).</p><p></p><p>The men on 100 mg/week of T were adding 50 mg/week of ND.</p><p></p><p>The men on 200 mg/week of T were adding 100 mg/week of ND.</p><p></p><p>There are also some men who struggle with T-only protocols especially when running higher doses and will take the approach of lowering their T dose <100 mg/week and adding in ND at a dose of 100-150 mg/week depending on the individual.</p><p></p><p>You could have left your T dose and still added it in the ND minus any sides other than driving up your hematocrit/driving down HDL although it is not a given especially when using lower doses.</p><p></p><p>If anything dropping your T dose from 180--->90 mg/week is a drastic jump and is going to drive down your FT, estradiol, DHT (at least you are dropping the topical 5ARi).</p><p></p><p>You should be getting a decent boost FT and estradiol from the hCG.</p><p></p><p>Even then the only way to truly know is to have blood work done on a T-only protocol and compare it with the T+ hCG protocol.</p><p></p><p>Hard to say where your trough TT, FT, and estradiol will sit on such a dose of 90 mg T/week + 750 IU hCG 3x/week.</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind any time one adds ND to a T-only protocol that it is critical to use the most accurate assays for TT (LC-MS/MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration) otherwise your results will be skewed and you will have absolutely no idea where your TT/FT level truly sits.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>These are the assays you should be using when on a T + ND protocol:</p><p></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.labcorp.com/tests/070038/testosterone-free-equilibrium-ultrafiltration-with-total-testosterone-lc-ms-ms[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.discountedlabs.com/testosterone-free-dialysis-and-total-ls-ms-ms[/URL]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 210417, member: 13851"] ND binds more strongly to the AR of muscle tissue. Would not fret over such. 180 mg T/week + 750 IU hCG 3x/week most likely has your trough FT very high. Post labs trough TT, FT, estradiol, DHT, hemoglobin/hematocrit? Would be wise to know where your levels truly sit before dropping your T dose drastically 180 mg---90 mg/week. If you feel great overall, blood markers are healthy, minus sides and it works for you stick with it. Would most likely feel just as good running the hCG 250-500 IU 2-3/week. 750 IU 3x/week would be overkill for most. Most use ND for relief/improvement of bone/joint pain and the therapeutic dose is 50-100 mg ND/week. Keep in mind that on trt we are using therapeutic doses (50-100 mg/week) of ND and some may run slightly higher levels. Again the majority are using it for relief/improvement of joint/bone pain and adding it to their trt protocol. The small pilot study from Lipscultz had men that were on a T-only protocol (100/200 mg/week). The men on 100 mg/week of T were adding 50 mg/week of ND. The men on 200 mg/week of T were adding 100 mg/week of ND. There are also some men who struggle with T-only protocols especially when running higher doses and will take the approach of lowering their T dose <100 mg/week and adding in ND at a dose of 100-150 mg/week depending on the individual. You could have left your T dose and still added it in the ND minus any sides other than driving up your hematocrit/driving down HDL although it is not a given especially when using lower doses. If anything dropping your T dose from 180--->90 mg/week is a drastic jump and is going to drive down your FT, estradiol, DHT (at least you are dropping the topical 5ARi). You should be getting a decent boost FT and estradiol from the hCG. Even then the only way to truly know is to have blood work done on a T-only protocol and compare it with the T+ hCG protocol. Hard to say where your trough TT, FT, and estradiol will sit on such a dose of 90 mg T/week + 750 IU hCG 3x/week. Keep in mind any time one adds ND to a T-only protocol that it is critical to use the most accurate assays for TT (LC-MS/MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration) otherwise your results will be skewed and you will have absolutely no idea where your TT/FT level truly sits. These are the assays you should be using when on a T + ND protocol: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.labcorp.com/tests/070038/testosterone-free-equilibrium-ultrafiltration-with-total-testosterone-lc-ms-ms[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.discountedlabs.com/testosterone-free-dialysis-and-total-ls-ms-ms[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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