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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymon" data-source="post: 201180" data-attributes="member: 42608"><p>I was in my early 30s. I used a very small dose, something along the lines of .25mg every 3rd day or something. Been a while but it was ultra conservative. I looked at the charts online and saw what the minimum I’d need to take would be to still make a good dent in DHT. I was on it for about 4-6 months. I actually felt better at first, which I now know is from the cortisol bump it gave me. I stopped because I became suicidal and emotional and depressed and had rapid visceral weight gain and stopped retaining muscle glycogen and just fell apart. Pretty much any stress during that time would be amplified by 100x. I also lost the ability to sweat, which is one of the tell tale signs in my opinion that other things don’t overlap with. I quite literally mean my body stopped perspiring. I sat in a sauna at the height of it and nothing happened, though I felt bad. No BO. No sweat during sex, which thankfully I didn’t have an issue with. Not during workouts or running. Nothing. Upside was I didn’t have to wash my clothes much.</p><p></p><p>Based on my blood tests after taking it, it probably had nothing to do with testosterone, and honestly my testosterone even while having symptoms at the time was a little low (480) but really wasn’t all that low for someone doing too much and training too hard and stressed out from fin and hadn’t slept much in weeks from it all. I’d be a good candidate for having been naturally high T given that I was doing better than most people on roids when it came to results without having touched anything, but I never tested before, only after.</p><p></p><p>Having since experimented with many things and protocols across the full HRT spectrum that few people venture into, and the holistic realm, I can definitively say that at least in my case, cortisol being unregulated was the issue. I was already someone that was pushing things too hard, and finasteride pushed me over the edge, causing me thereafter to down regulate. If cortisol is out of whack, thyroid and all else up the chain goes to shit. I’ve had my test everywhere from 800 to 1500 and my free T all over the range and double it and it means jack shit if I can’t get it into the cells or have it work. When I do, it feels like I’m suddenly on HRT and I look like I transform into another human being.</p><p></p><p>From the initial finasteride issues people have, I think one of the main things that makes guys go down different paths with it is that if you’re in a fucked up state like that, you develop other issues that exacerbate it, and potentially get damaged in some ways. In my case, I developed massive gut issues, and some nerve damage in my right foot. That may be partly because while on it I had to eat massive amounts of salt to avoid passing out and going to the ER, which is what happened and the moment I decided to try HRT since I was not managing whatever happened to me on my own.</p><p></p><p>I’ve talked to and worked with many, many doctors in the field about this. If you’re already on TRT, most guys seem to be fine on finasteride, or report that they are. It will by definition affect your body’s ability to regulate itself in regards to stress, however. If you’re already okay on that front, it might mean nothing. If you’re not, or had some issues down the line, it could mean everything. It seemingly has nothing to do with DHT because it’s not like you couldn’t just inject a DHT analog, which doesn’t work for almost anyone having post finasteride syndrome. Test doesn’t help most guys, either, and if it does it’s not usually for very long. </p><p></p><p>I read all the shit online about fin too and talked to folks before I tried it and would laugh at the PropeciaHelp folks. I thought maybe they were just on it for 10 years and got mad that in 10 years they aged 10 years. The things they said were too wide ranging to seem real. At worst I figured I’d just get on HRT. I get it now though, and wish I didn’t have first hand knowledge of it. I’ve been there, and at times if I’m not careful I end up back where I was with it and ‘crash’. I have a deep and unending sympathy for them. </p><p></p><p>I would tread very lightly around finasteride. I really wish someone back then had written this to me before I tried it. It irrevocably upended my entire life. It is my biggest regret. It doesn’t do that to everybody. When it does though? You end up like those guys on PropeciaHelp. It’s a very real thing. I really wish it wasn’t.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymon, post: 201180, member: 42608"] I was in my early 30s. I used a very small dose, something along the lines of .25mg every 3rd day or something. Been a while but it was ultra conservative. I looked at the charts online and saw what the minimum I’d need to take would be to still make a good dent in DHT. I was on it for about 4-6 months. I actually felt better at first, which I now know is from the cortisol bump it gave me. I stopped because I became suicidal and emotional and depressed and had rapid visceral weight gain and stopped retaining muscle glycogen and just fell apart. Pretty much any stress during that time would be amplified by 100x. I also lost the ability to sweat, which is one of the tell tale signs in my opinion that other things don’t overlap with. I quite literally mean my body stopped perspiring. I sat in a sauna at the height of it and nothing happened, though I felt bad. No BO. No sweat during sex, which thankfully I didn’t have an issue with. Not during workouts or running. Nothing. Upside was I didn’t have to wash my clothes much. Based on my blood tests after taking it, it probably had nothing to do with testosterone, and honestly my testosterone even while having symptoms at the time was a little low (480) but really wasn’t all that low for someone doing too much and training too hard and stressed out from fin and hadn’t slept much in weeks from it all. I’d be a good candidate for having been naturally high T given that I was doing better than most people on roids when it came to results without having touched anything, but I never tested before, only after. Having since experimented with many things and protocols across the full HRT spectrum that few people venture into, and the holistic realm, I can definitively say that at least in my case, cortisol being unregulated was the issue. I was already someone that was pushing things too hard, and finasteride pushed me over the edge, causing me thereafter to down regulate. If cortisol is out of whack, thyroid and all else up the chain goes to shit. I’ve had my test everywhere from 800 to 1500 and my free T all over the range and double it and it means jack shit if I can’t get it into the cells or have it work. When I do, it feels like I’m suddenly on HRT and I look like I transform into another human being. From the initial finasteride issues people have, I think one of the main things that makes guys go down different paths with it is that if you’re in a fucked up state like that, you develop other issues that exacerbate it, and potentially get damaged in some ways. In my case, I developed massive gut issues, and some nerve damage in my right foot. That may be partly because while on it I had to eat massive amounts of salt to avoid passing out and going to the ER, which is what happened and the moment I decided to try HRT since I was not managing whatever happened to me on my own. I’ve talked to and worked with many, many doctors in the field about this. If you’re already on TRT, most guys seem to be fine on finasteride, or report that they are. It will by definition affect your body’s ability to regulate itself in regards to stress, however. If you’re already okay on that front, it might mean nothing. If you’re not, or had some issues down the line, it could mean everything. It seemingly has nothing to do with DHT because it’s not like you couldn’t just inject a DHT analog, which doesn’t work for almost anyone having post finasteride syndrome. Test doesn’t help most guys, either, and if it does it’s not usually for very long. I read all the shit online about fin too and talked to folks before I tried it and would laugh at the PropeciaHelp folks. I thought maybe they were just on it for 10 years and got mad that in 10 years they aged 10 years. The things they said were too wide ranging to seem real. At worst I figured I’d just get on HRT. I get it now though, and wish I didn’t have first hand knowledge of it. I’ve been there, and at times if I’m not careful I end up back where I was with it and ‘crash’. I have a deep and unending sympathy for them. I would tread very lightly around finasteride. I really wish someone back then had written this to me before I tried it. It irrevocably upended my entire life. It is my biggest regret. It doesn’t do that to everybody. When it does though? You end up like those guys on PropeciaHelp. It’s a very real thing. I really wish it wasn’t. [/QUOTE]
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