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Trans scrotal testosterone cream application is a game changer
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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 160949" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>How stupid are to say someone is spot on injecting 200/wk with a trough of 900, but when he injects more frequently and shows a trough of 1300 </strong></span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>we've got someone abusing TRT</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>, bla bla. Seriously?</strong></span></p><p></p><p>-who stated such?</p><p></p><p>-what would it matter if one ran a trough 1300 when injecting more frequently as in daily or EOD as peak is not going to be extremely higher compared to one that ran a 1300 trough injecting once weekly which would have their peak well over 1500.</p><p></p><p>-who is saying there is an issue with running slightly higher levels 1200+?</p><p></p><p>-most would never need to run levels in the 1500-2000 range whether 1500+ trough or 2000 peak to achieve a healthy FT.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">I've injected 300/wk split into 2x/wk and had a trough around 1200 iirc.</span></strong></p><p></p><p>- so what's the big deal if your peak was around 1500.....I see none!</p><p></p><p>- I can hit a 1200 trough on 150 mg/week (75 mg every 3.5 days)</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong> Same dose done daily and I'm in that evil steroid range.</strong></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">- that would have to be 2000-3000+ range</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>If you feel better on a higher dose, and believe me that some guys honestly do, then you just gotta keep an eye on all of your other bloodwork.</strong></span></p><p></p><p>- true.....but I would say that would only hold merit if one truly invested the time in starting low and going slow and giving such protocol using the lower doses a good 2-3 months to allow the body to adjust in order to truly gauge how one feels overall before claiming they need to be running some of these absurd levels....trough 1500+.</p><p></p><p>- as you should very well know many on trt are changing their protocols left/right after 6 weeks because they expect to see improvement within 6 weeks when in fact levels are in FLUX in the weeks leading up until blood levels stabilize and during this time it is common to experience ups/downs and most importantly once levels stabilize it can take many months for the body to adapt to the new T levels.....let alone the poorly demonized estradiol!</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">So you need to have already become comfortable with that so you don't do something stupid like changing a functional protocol </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)">bc some man on the internet thinks your numbers aren't in his magical range.</span></strong></p><p></p><p>- again as I stated in my previous post:</p><p></p><p>- as we very well know a doctors main concern should be treating the patient symptoms not numbers while at the same time keeping ones overall health in mind.....so we are seeking out relief/improvement and increased overall well-being of the patient while at the same time minimizing/preventing any potential negative effects whether health related/cosmetic.....this is why blood work is CRITICAL!</p><p></p><p>- we also know that <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">many men need to have their TT levels at the top end of the range or slightly higher in order to achieve a healthy FT level which would result in relief/improvement of low-t symptoms</span></p><p></p><p>- <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">numbers/reference ranges should be used as guidelines as it is not set in stone that one needs to stay within these ranges</span>.....<span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>but again it is highly doubtful one would need to venture into these absurd TT levels 1500-2000 ng/dL to achieve a healthy FT level</strong></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 160949, member: 13851"] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]How stupid are to say someone is spot on injecting 200/wk with a trough of 900, but when he injects more frequently and shows a trough of 1300 [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]we've got someone abusing TRT[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B], bla bla. Seriously?[/B][/COLOR] -who stated such? -what would it matter if one ran a trough 1300 when injecting more frequently as in daily or EOD as peak is not going to be extremely higher compared to one that ran a 1300 trough injecting once weekly which would have their peak well over 1500. -who is saying there is an issue with running slightly higher levels 1200+? -most would never need to run levels in the 1500-2000 range whether 1500+ trough or 2000 peak to achieve a healthy FT. [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]I've injected 300/wk split into 2x/wk and had a trough around 1200 iirc.[/COLOR][/B] - so what's the big deal if your peak was around 1500.....I see none! - I can hit a 1200 trough on 150 mg/week (75 mg every 3.5 days) [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B] Same dose done daily and I'm in that evil steroid range.[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]- that would have to be 2000-3000+ range[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]If you feel better on a higher dose, and believe me that some guys honestly do, then you just gotta keep an eye on all of your other bloodwork.[/B][/COLOR] - true.....but I would say that would only hold merit if one truly invested the time in starting low and going slow and giving such protocol using the lower doses a good 2-3 months to allow the body to adjust in order to truly gauge how one feels overall before claiming they need to be running some of these absurd levels....trough 1500+. - as you should very well know many on trt are changing their protocols left/right after 6 weeks because they expect to see improvement within 6 weeks when in fact levels are in FLUX in the weeks leading up until blood levels stabilize and during this time it is common to experience ups/downs and most importantly once levels stabilize it can take many months for the body to adapt to the new T levels.....let alone the poorly demonized estradiol! [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]So you need to have already become comfortable with that so you don't do something stupid like changing a functional protocol [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)]bc some man on the internet thinks your numbers aren't in his magical range.[/COLOR][/B] - again as I stated in my previous post: - as we very well know a doctors main concern should be treating the patient symptoms not numbers while at the same time keeping ones overall health in mind.....so we are seeking out relief/improvement and increased overall well-being of the patient while at the same time minimizing/preventing any potential negative effects whether health related/cosmetic.....this is why blood work is CRITICAL! - we also know that [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]many men need to have their TT levels at the top end of the range or slightly higher in order to achieve a healthy FT level which would result in relief/improvement of low-t symptoms[/COLOR] - [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]numbers/reference ranges should be used as guidelines as it is not set in stone that one needs to stay within these ranges[/COLOR].....[COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]but again it is highly doubtful one would need to venture into these absurd TT levels 1500-2000 ng/dL to achieve a healthy FT level[/B][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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