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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Testosterone Side Effect Management
Time for symptom relief? Aromasin "kick in" hcg etc
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<blockquote data-quote="BaldEagle66" data-source="post: 68652" data-attributes="member: 15519"><p>Nelson, first thank you for all your contributions to the field of Men's health. I have followed you among a select few others for a while now. </p><p></p><p>I would say regarding e2 management I have two counterpoints for your consideration. There is a study you often site where I believe only half of men getting either HCG OR Testosterone therapy reported improved sexual function. With that said, I specifically know that I am a "high-converter" from when I was on clomid monotherapy. I can honestly say while my sexual function was about 70%, my mood as absolutely terrible, but my urologist refused to put me on an AI because i hovered around 40-60, hi end of normal. The theory another Endocrinologist said that because I heavily used steroids between 18-21, my HPTA jacked up my "thermostat" in terms of how much aromatase I need because I had so much extra, and because that's not really set until 26yrs old or so, that's my set point I have to work with.</p><p></p><p>Most agree that men seem function best at 20-25mmol/dl of e2, if we're going to add the theory of sensor sensitivity, an e2 level of 45 is almost double optimal levels, and while may not be high enough to cause gyno or set off lab alerts, it can certainly cause changes in mood and other "subtle" ways. </p><p></p><p>My second counterpoint is more anecdotal, on many different forums men claim (again just from what i been reading so yes I can be wrong) that adding in either an AI or HCG really helped sexual function as compared to being on test alone. the commonality i see is that they tend to be on higher end doses like, me, 150. 180, 200 mgs of test per week.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BaldEagle66, post: 68652, member: 15519"] Nelson, first thank you for all your contributions to the field of Men's health. I have followed you among a select few others for a while now. I would say regarding e2 management I have two counterpoints for your consideration. There is a study you often site where I believe only half of men getting either HCG OR Testosterone therapy reported improved sexual function. With that said, I specifically know that I am a "high-converter" from when I was on clomid monotherapy. I can honestly say while my sexual function was about 70%, my mood as absolutely terrible, but my urologist refused to put me on an AI because i hovered around 40-60, hi end of normal. The theory another Endocrinologist said that because I heavily used steroids between 18-21, my HPTA jacked up my "thermostat" in terms of how much aromatase I need because I had so much extra, and because that's not really set until 26yrs old or so, that's my set point I have to work with. Most agree that men seem function best at 20-25mmol/dl of e2, if we're going to add the theory of sensor sensitivity, an e2 level of 45 is almost double optimal levels, and while may not be high enough to cause gyno or set off lab alerts, it can certainly cause changes in mood and other "subtle" ways. My second counterpoint is more anecdotal, on many different forums men claim (again just from what i been reading so yes I can be wrong) that adding in either an AI or HCG really helped sexual function as compared to being on test alone. the commonality i see is that they tend to be on higher end doses like, me, 150. 180, 200 mgs of test per week. [/QUOTE]
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