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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymon" data-source="post: 207107" data-attributes="member: 42608"><p>I thoroughly appreciate your posts around here and attention to detail and trying to keep people in check, and will continue to do so hereafter. You do realize that you’re largely making a semantic argument though right? Things can be different when someone’s just starting TRT and I wholeheartedly agree things can get wonky there in some folks, but you repeating that hormones are in flux is somewhat of a nonargument. You’re making it seem like things are bouncing up and down the range all over the place across all major hormonal axises until an arbitrary end point of 3 months when the chaos stops and the smoke clears and a new person emerges. It’s pretty clear any flux that happens is going to taper off increasingly as time goes on. Technically your hormones and all else will be in flux for an entire year after making a change, but it would be silly to tell people to wait a year before adjusting anything.</p><p></p><p>For personal reference, most of my protocol’s had me at 1100-1300 TT at peak since I inject daily, and a free T of usually 15-25 again at peak, with my E2 being in the low to mid 50s without an AI. That’s been at 150-200ish test-e or c a week at various points with HCG at varying daily or 3x a week doses. Adding T3 made that all wonky but that’s where I was usually at. Currently I’m actually taking 140mgish a week.</p><p></p><p>I also achieved what most people would like to achieve with HRT before actually doing it though. I already looked better and was stronger than most people that pursue this tend to get, so for me I was mostly trying to figure out other issues and maintain my health in the aftermath of a bad reaction to a medication. If that was not the case I would be making different decisions.</p><p></p><p>I will continue to respectfully disagree with your claim that someone needs 3 months to evaluate their current protocol, and suggest that after about a month you pretty much know what to expect, and tell anyone that if they can maintain good blood work and health without side effects by using higher doses up to say 200mg a week and you objectively feel and perform better at that higher dose, then it would appear silly not to do that.</p><p></p><p>On another note, I’m assuming you mentioning ‘optimization’ and ‘TOT’ is a reference to the Jay Campbell type stuff. I would advise anyone to be highly skeptical of Jay Campbell. Although plenty of what he says is spot on and he has many guests, like Nelson as I recall, who are trustworthy, Jay himself does strike me as a huckster on many topics. His copper hair growth stuff, for example. So I would be wary of trusting him on all things, despite a lot of what he says probably being true.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymon, post: 207107, member: 42608"] I thoroughly appreciate your posts around here and attention to detail and trying to keep people in check, and will continue to do so hereafter. You do realize that you’re largely making a semantic argument though right? Things can be different when someone’s just starting TRT and I wholeheartedly agree things can get wonky there in some folks, but you repeating that hormones are in flux is somewhat of a nonargument. You’re making it seem like things are bouncing up and down the range all over the place across all major hormonal axises until an arbitrary end point of 3 months when the chaos stops and the smoke clears and a new person emerges. It’s pretty clear any flux that happens is going to taper off increasingly as time goes on. Technically your hormones and all else will be in flux for an entire year after making a change, but it would be silly to tell people to wait a year before adjusting anything. For personal reference, most of my protocol’s had me at 1100-1300 TT at peak since I inject daily, and a free T of usually 15-25 again at peak, with my E2 being in the low to mid 50s without an AI. That’s been at 150-200ish test-e or c a week at various points with HCG at varying daily or 3x a week doses. Adding T3 made that all wonky but that’s where I was usually at. Currently I’m actually taking 140mgish a week. I also achieved what most people would like to achieve with HRT before actually doing it though. I already looked better and was stronger than most people that pursue this tend to get, so for me I was mostly trying to figure out other issues and maintain my health in the aftermath of a bad reaction to a medication. If that was not the case I would be making different decisions. I will continue to respectfully disagree with your claim that someone needs 3 months to evaluate their current protocol, and suggest that after about a month you pretty much know what to expect, and tell anyone that if they can maintain good blood work and health without side effects by using higher doses up to say 200mg a week and you objectively feel and perform better at that higher dose, then it would appear silly not to do that. On another note, I’m assuming you mentioning ‘optimization’ and ‘TOT’ is a reference to the Jay Campbell type stuff. I would advise anyone to be highly skeptical of Jay Campbell. Although plenty of what he says is spot on and he has many guests, like Nelson as I recall, who are trustworthy, Jay himself does strike me as a huckster on many topics. His copper hair growth stuff, for example. So I would be wary of trusting him on all things, despite a lot of what he says probably being true. [/QUOTE]
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