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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 207045" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>From one of your previous posts:</p><p></p><p><em><strong>- Dont start <u>lower than 120mg per week and dont start higher than 150mg</u> per week. You may need to adjust later from there</strong></em></p><p></p><p><u>My reply</u>:</p><p></p><p>Again you left it wide open 120-150 mg/week!</p><p></p><p>When starting trt 100 mg/week split twice weekly (50 mg every 3.5 days) is a sensible starting dose.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em>- Start doing muscular injections, <u>initially dont start sub q</u>.</em></strong></p><p></p><p><u>My reply</u>:</p><p></p><p>Again for a majority of men, there should be no difference in the absorption/effectiveness of T when injecting strictly sub-q.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em>As for sub q like I stated many times we see enough men for which it doesnt work well enough and IM is the more reliable delivery method</em></strong></p><p></p><p><u>My reply</u>:</p><p></p><p>Again far from common and piss poor reason to try and prevent someone from starting trt strictly sub-q!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You have no clue where his SHBG sits let alone seem to be playing stupid or have no sense in your head as again he clearly stated in post #7</p><p></p><p><strong>post #7</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><em>Yes I did <u>2-3 years ago for only a month</u>, I had a change of heart at the time and wanted to give it my all with a natural approach. <u>I also had some weird side effects 3 weeks in which also pushed me out of it as well</u>. <u>I felt really faint sweaty and had shallow breathing along with crazy amounts of anxiety, can't remember what else but that's the gist of it</u>.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>He tried trt once for 4 weeks and bailed out!</p><p></p><p>Yet you are telling this guy to start on 120--->150mg T/week....with absolutely no idea what his protocol (dose T/injection) frequency was.</p><p></p><p>Let alone avoid starting on sub-q.</p><p></p><p>Piss poor advice plain and simple!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>From one of your previous posts:</p><p></p><p><strong><em>If someone happens to get a bit higher levels for a few weeks there is nothing scary or dangerous in that, thats why we do blood work and he will just lower his dose IF the way he feels amd the side effects suggests so, not just a number above a compromised reference range. If a guy happens to get at even at 1500, feels perfect, has no side effects, lipids, blood counts, blood pressure and all other health markers are good why should he lower it? I definetelly wouldnt, my doctor as well. Nothing in the medical literature suggests these levels are harmful long term, and even if some problems start to occur due to some undiagnosed health problem like sleep apnea for example we do regular blood work, they will appear, the guy will lower his dose and fix the immediate problems while addressing the root cause</em></strong></p><p></p><p><u>My reply</u>:</p><p></p><p>Tell us something we already do not know!</p><p></p><p>Fuck the current reference range.....low end used to be 350 and high end 1200 ng/dL!</p><p></p><p>Never have I stated on here that one needs to stay within a reference range.</p><p></p><p>Comes down to the individual and where one feels best while at the same time minimizing/avoiding any potential sides and keeping blood markers healthy long-term!</p><p></p><p>Again most men would easily do well with a trough TT 1000-1200 ng/dL and trough FT in the 20-30ng/dL range.</p><p></p><p>Does that mean running higher T levels above the top-end TT 1200 ng/dL or FT 30 ng/dL is dangerous or scary because it would be considered supra-physiological.....<u>who the f**k stated such.....NOT ME</u>.</p><p></p><p>Let's be very clear here nowhere did I state that it is dangerous let alone scary if someone is running a TT 1000-2000 ng/dL or FT 30-80 ng/dL.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em>Bingo, exactly my point. So I dont see how a total t of 1300 with an SHBG of above 20 lets say can be considered a mild cycle if this is the level where the guys feels good.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>No fear-mongering going on here let alone anyone talking about trt=mild cycle!</p><p></p><p>Nowhere did I ever state that running a TT 1500-2000ng/dL or FT 30-80 ng/dL is dangerous/harmful let alone would cause any long-term health issues.</p><p></p><p>Again where the f**k do you get.....<em><strong>your first opinion in the thread sounded to me like going higher would be supraphysiological and dangerous</strong></em><strong><em>.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Far fetched, to say the least!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 207045, member: 13851"] From one of your previous posts: [I][B]- Dont start [U]lower than 120mg per week and dont start higher than 150mg[/U] per week. You may need to adjust later from there[/B][/I] [U]My reply[/U]: Again you left it wide open 120-150 mg/week! When starting trt 100 mg/week split twice weekly (50 mg every 3.5 days) is a sensible starting dose. [B][I]- Start doing muscular injections, [U]initially dont start sub q[/U].[/I][/B] [U]My reply[/U]: Again for a majority of men, there should be no difference in the absorption/effectiveness of T when injecting strictly sub-q. [B][I]As for sub q like I stated many times we see enough men for which it doesnt work well enough and IM is the more reliable delivery method[/I][/B] [U]My reply[/U]: Again far from common and piss poor reason to try and prevent someone from starting trt strictly sub-q! You have no clue where his SHBG sits let alone seem to be playing stupid or have no sense in your head as again he clearly stated in post #7 [B]post #7 [I]Yes I did [U]2-3 years ago for only a month[/U], I had a change of heart at the time and wanted to give it my all with a natural approach. [U]I also had some weird side effects 3 weeks in which also pushed me out of it as well[/U]. [U]I felt really faint sweaty and had shallow breathing along with crazy amounts of anxiety, can't remember what else but that's the gist of it[/U].[/I][/B] He tried trt once for 4 weeks and bailed out! Yet you are telling this guy to start on 120--->150mg T/week....with absolutely no idea what his protocol (dose T/injection) frequency was. Let alone avoid starting on sub-q. Piss poor advice plain and simple! From one of your previous posts: [B][I]If someone happens to get a bit higher levels for a few weeks there is nothing scary or dangerous in that, thats why we do blood work and he will just lower his dose IF the way he feels amd the side effects suggests so, not just a number above a compromised reference range. If a guy happens to get at even at 1500, feels perfect, has no side effects, lipids, blood counts, blood pressure and all other health markers are good why should he lower it? I definetelly wouldnt, my doctor as well. Nothing in the medical literature suggests these levels are harmful long term, and even if some problems start to occur due to some undiagnosed health problem like sleep apnea for example we do regular blood work, they will appear, the guy will lower his dose and fix the immediate problems while addressing the root cause[/I][/B] [U]My reply[/U]: Tell us something we already do not know! Fuck the current reference range.....low end used to be 350 and high end 1200 ng/dL! Never have I stated on here that one needs to stay within a reference range. Comes down to the individual and where one feels best while at the same time minimizing/avoiding any potential sides and keeping blood markers healthy long-term! Again most men would easily do well with a trough TT 1000-1200 ng/dL and trough FT in the 20-30ng/dL range. Does that mean running higher T levels above the top-end TT 1200 ng/dL or FT 30 ng/dL is dangerous or scary because it would be considered supra-physiological.....[U]who the f**k stated such.....NOT ME[/U]. Let's be very clear here nowhere did I state that it is dangerous let alone scary if someone is running a TT 1000-2000 ng/dL or FT 30-80 ng/dL. [B][I]Bingo, exactly my point. So I dont see how a total t of 1300 with an SHBG of above 20 lets say can be considered a mild cycle if this is the level where the guys feels good.[/I][/B] No fear-mongering going on here let alone anyone talking about trt=mild cycle! Nowhere did I ever state that running a TT 1500-2000ng/dL or FT 30-80 ng/dL is dangerous/harmful let alone would cause any long-term health issues. Again where the f**k do you get.....[I][B]your first opinion in the thread sounded to me like going higher would be supraphysiological and dangerous[/B][/I][B][I].[/I][/B] Far fetched, to say the least! [/QUOTE]
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