Bingo, exactly my point. So I dont see how a total t of 1300 with an SHBG of above 20 lets say can be considered a mild cycle if this is the level where the guys feels good.

Also I see the same mistake from certain users comparing how many mg average young healthy body produces per week to a TRT dosage, not to mention they totally skip the fact in the TRT dosage there is also an ester. But even without the ester such comparison is absurd.

TRT is a treatment, you start a dose and you raise up until the symptoms related to testosterone are resolved(of course when raising the dose all other possible reasons for the remaining issues should be carefully evaluated and addressed, if the thyroid is crap for exampld no amount of t will be enough). If this happens to be 250mg that is your dose. Yes, I know guys who need 250mg for TRT! When the diabetic is started on insulin his dose is not compared to the natural production, when the doctor starts a long term pharmaceutical treatment again he reaches a dose where the symptoms are resolved and there is no danger of health issues or side effects. I dont see a reason to put any additional limitation to TRT in comparison to any other pharmaceutical treatment, even more so that testosterone is safer than 90 of the drugs out there.

I for example if I drop my levels to 800-1000 many of my symptoms return.