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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymon" data-source="post: 207027" data-attributes="member: 42608"><p>To help break up the roid rage argument this turned into, I’ll chime in on hCG:</p><p></p><p>Some guys, like me, actually feel better on hCG in a dose dependent manner. I originally came to this after getting messed up by finasteride, and hCG actually seems to help me more than test and helps me tolerate test. Other guys feel like crap on hCG. You never know which you’ll be and will have to experiment. I personally started with both and later tried dropping hCG and felt worse, so then I bolstered it and felt better, and am currently shooting even higher. If your symptoms more mirror PFS folks, you’re more likely to like hCG. I personally like the idea of keeping my testes working as well.</p><p></p><p>Good rule of thumb if you want the benefits of hCG is that you’ll need at least 250-350iu’s per shot 2-3x a week. It stays elevated in the blood for a couple days thereafter according to Dr. Saya’s research. I did 100-140iu’s daily and did feel better than not doing it, but higher amounts 3x a week were better even if the total amount was about the same. Currently experimenting with 600-750ius 3x a week.</p><p></p><p>Personally, my protocols settle in after 3-4 weeks and feel the same thereafter. As do everyone’s that I’ve personally known doing HRT. I think the 3 month thing is a well intentioned fib, and the kind of adjustments people make are usually in the 120-150mg range anyway, which really isn’t all that different for worrisome health markers based on my blood tests. My doc front loaded my dose and I started somewhere around 150mg a week on test and probably 250iu’s of hCG 3x a week. Then I did 160-180mg spread out daily with some more hCG.</p><p></p><p>I love hCG, but I’m a challenging case. My TT/FT readings going into HRT were similar to yours though a little higher on the TT and lower on the FT. You wouldn’t have known it to look at me though because I still had more muscle at that amount than most people on TRT or steroids. Just be sure to focus on how you feel and your quality of life while keeping your blood tests in check.</p><p></p><p>If you’re happier and perfectly healthy on a mild steroid cycle for life, it seems silly not to do it if your current health and quality of life is crap. Exogenous T isn’t the same as naturally produced T, either. Most guys need more exogenous T to feel the same as guys with the same natural levels because there’s a lot that happens alongside T being produced that you don’t quite get with injections. Most guys shooting for similar levels to someone within the normal range DO NOT feel as good or normal as those same guys, or even their own previously higher natural test levels.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymon, post: 207027, member: 42608"] To help break up the roid rage argument this turned into, I’ll chime in on hCG: Some guys, like me, actually feel better on hCG in a dose dependent manner. I originally came to this after getting messed up by finasteride, and hCG actually seems to help me more than test and helps me tolerate test. Other guys feel like crap on hCG. You never know which you’ll be and will have to experiment. I personally started with both and later tried dropping hCG and felt worse, so then I bolstered it and felt better, and am currently shooting even higher. If your symptoms more mirror PFS folks, you’re more likely to like hCG. I personally like the idea of keeping my testes working as well. Good rule of thumb if you want the benefits of hCG is that you’ll need at least 250-350iu’s per shot 2-3x a week. It stays elevated in the blood for a couple days thereafter according to Dr. Saya’s research. I did 100-140iu’s daily and did feel better than not doing it, but higher amounts 3x a week were better even if the total amount was about the same. Currently experimenting with 600-750ius 3x a week. Personally, my protocols settle in after 3-4 weeks and feel the same thereafter. As do everyone’s that I’ve personally known doing HRT. I think the 3 month thing is a well intentioned fib, and the kind of adjustments people make are usually in the 120-150mg range anyway, which really isn’t all that different for worrisome health markers based on my blood tests. My doc front loaded my dose and I started somewhere around 150mg a week on test and probably 250iu’s of hCG 3x a week. Then I did 160-180mg spread out daily with some more hCG. I love hCG, but I’m a challenging case. My TT/FT readings going into HRT were similar to yours though a little higher on the TT and lower on the FT. You wouldn’t have known it to look at me though because I still had more muscle at that amount than most people on TRT or steroids. Just be sure to focus on how you feel and your quality of life while keeping your blood tests in check. If you’re happier and perfectly healthy on a mild steroid cycle for life, it seems silly not to do it if your current health and quality of life is crap. Exogenous T isn’t the same as naturally produced T, either. Most guys need more exogenous T to feel the same as guys with the same natural levels because there’s a lot that happens alongside T being produced that you don’t quite get with injections. Most guys shooting for similar levels to someone within the normal range DO NOT feel as good or normal as those same guys, or even their own previously higher natural test levels. [/QUOTE]
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