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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 207025" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p><strong><em>Ok, so the whole argument is that I suggested him starting at <u>20-30mg higher</u> initially because I've seen almost no guys be optimal at 100(I know there are such guys out there) and the majority I've seen have their doses a bit higher. Obviously he will start at 100mg because this is his only option, but I suggested he may need to go higher and <u>your first opinion in the thread sounded to me like going higher would be supraphysiological and dangerous</u>.</em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>I replied to you in my first post #31 in the thread:</p><p></p><p><em>You stated.....</em><strong><em>- Dont start lower than 120mg per week and dont start higher than 150mg per week. You may need to adjust later from there</em></strong></p><p></p><p>You should not be dishing out advice when you should very well know that many men can easily achieve a high-end trough FT let alone absurdly high in some cases on 100 mg/week (split into more frequent injections).</p><p></p><p>Even then you have absolutely no idea where his SHBG sits as unfortunately, he did not have it tested.</p><p></p><p>Where the f**k do you get.....<em><strong>your first opinion in the thread sounded to me like going higher would be supraphysiological and dangerous</strong></em><strong><em>.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Far fetched, to say the least!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em> Sorry but this is an argument against your pieces of advice. I gave my protocol more than enough time to work(yes 10 weeks is more than enough FOR ME) and it didnt work. I'm happy I didnt listen to you., discussed it with my doctor and changed back to sustanon. The improvement was massive and swift, in 3-4 weeks I felt way better and in 6 weeks as good as TRT can make me feel. I know my body and I know I didnt need to waste my time for waiting for a doomed protocol that would never work for me, it is a WASTE OF TIME. I dont tell other guys they shouldnt wait more. I know I dont have to wait more for my protocol changes. Enanthate and cypionate dont work for me, so no protocol with them stand a chance. I do good only on sustanon, why - nobody knows but Im happy with it and will keep pinning it EOD in the forseable future. The whole point for switiching to enanthate was to reduce injection frequency. It didnt work and I came back to what works for me, case closed. If you have noticed I dont run around telling guys stop using enanthate, sustanon is the REAL shit(I suggested that to only 2-3 people to try for whom the medium single esters also didnt seem to work well, or maybe the reason was different, just a suggestion something they can try).</em></strong></p><p></p><p>I would say you got lucky!</p><p></p><p>Again judging from your previous threads/posts on the forum you have no clue how exogenous T works let alone are out to lunch on some of the advice you are dishing out.</p><p></p><p>I could see right through you from the get-go!</p><p></p><p>You just keep spouting the same shit.....BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><strong>As for the super accurate modern free t measurement, why you continue to mock me I havent checked my FT with that method, you expect me to catch a plane to USA to make that test or what? I've optimized my TRT well enough without this super accurate free test method, so I dont really care where it sits. For my needs total t, shbg and albumin are enough. If the OP has access to this test he can try it, I havent suggested against that, but Im not sure which doctor will be able to work with that numbers.</strong></em></p><p></p><p>You have no clue where your FT level truly sits let alone have no clue how exogenous T works yet you keep dishing out advice on what the so-called fairytale OPTIMAL is!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em>Also most important regarding TRT is to be patient. You gotta keep in mind every protocol change takes 6-8 weeks to settle in your body, while in this period issues can be expected, so dont make any adjustments until this period is over and you can evaluate. <u>I wish someone told me this stuff 2 years ago</u>...</em></strong></p><p></p><p>No one is getting dialed in 6-8 weeks.....LMFAO.</p><p></p><p>Every protocol needs to be given a fighting chance.....12 weeks!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em>I wish someone told me this stuff 2 years ago...</em></strong></p><p></p><p><em>2 years ago WTF you are still out to lunch!</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 207025, member: 13851"] [B][I]Ok, so the whole argument is that I suggested him starting at [U]20-30mg higher[/U] initially because I've seen almost no guys be optimal at 100(I know there are such guys out there) and the majority I've seen have their doses a bit higher. Obviously he will start at 100mg because this is his only option, but I suggested he may need to go higher and [U]your first opinion in the thread sounded to me like going higher would be supraphysiological and dangerous[/U].[/I][/B] I replied to you in my first post #31 in the thread: [I]You stated.....[/I][B][I]- Dont start lower than 120mg per week and dont start higher than 150mg per week. You may need to adjust later from there[/I][/B] You should not be dishing out advice when you should very well know that many men can easily achieve a high-end trough FT let alone absurdly high in some cases on 100 mg/week (split into more frequent injections). Even then you have absolutely no idea where his SHBG sits as unfortunately, he did not have it tested. Where the f**k do you get.....[I][B]your first opinion in the thread sounded to me like going higher would be supraphysiological and dangerous[/B][/I][B][I].[/I][/B] Far fetched, to say the least! [B][I] Sorry but this is an argument against your pieces of advice. I gave my protocol more than enough time to work(yes 10 weeks is more than enough FOR ME) and it didnt work. I'm happy I didnt listen to you., discussed it with my doctor and changed back to sustanon. The improvement was massive and swift, in 3-4 weeks I felt way better and in 6 weeks as good as TRT can make me feel. I know my body and I know I didnt need to waste my time for waiting for a doomed protocol that would never work for me, it is a WASTE OF TIME. I dont tell other guys they shouldnt wait more. I know I dont have to wait more for my protocol changes. Enanthate and cypionate dont work for me, so no protocol with them stand a chance. I do good only on sustanon, why - nobody knows but Im happy with it and will keep pinning it EOD in the forseable future. The whole point for switiching to enanthate was to reduce injection frequency. It didnt work and I came back to what works for me, case closed. If you have noticed I dont run around telling guys stop using enanthate, sustanon is the REAL shit(I suggested that to only 2-3 people to try for whom the medium single esters also didnt seem to work well, or maybe the reason was different, just a suggestion something they can try).[/I][/B] I would say you got lucky! Again judging from your previous threads/posts on the forum you have no clue how exogenous T works let alone are out to lunch on some of the advice you are dishing out. I could see right through you from the get-go! You just keep spouting the same shit.....BLAH, BLAH, BLAH! [I][B]As for the super accurate modern free t measurement, why you continue to mock me I havent checked my FT with that method, you expect me to catch a plane to USA to make that test or what? I've optimized my TRT well enough without this super accurate free test method, so I dont really care where it sits. For my needs total t, shbg and albumin are enough. If the OP has access to this test he can try it, I havent suggested against that, but Im not sure which doctor will be able to work with that numbers.[/B][/I] You have no clue where your FT level truly sits let alone have no clue how exogenous T works yet you keep dishing out advice on what the so-called fairytale OPTIMAL is! [B][I]Also most important regarding TRT is to be patient. You gotta keep in mind every protocol change takes 6-8 weeks to settle in your body, while in this period issues can be expected, so dont make any adjustments until this period is over and you can evaluate. [U]I wish someone told me this stuff 2 years ago[/U]...[/I][/B] No one is getting dialed in 6-8 weeks.....LMFAO. Every protocol needs to be given a fighting chance.....12 weeks! [B][I]I wish someone told me this stuff 2 years ago...[/I][/B] [I]2 years ago WTF you are still out to lunch![/I] [/QUOTE]
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