The Possible Future of Compounded Testosterone Cypionate

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Compounded injectable testosterone medications like cypionate are presently being pushed out of the market.

Compounding pharmacies provide a low cost alternative to standard and more expensive manufactured brand name medications. In the case of testosterone, compounding pharmacies are able to obtain the FDA approved raw material to compound testosterone into strengths, solutions, forms, and combinations not available on the market. Testosterone Cypionate is not under a patent, and is available as a raw material to be compounded as a sterile injectable in various custom strengths.

Technically, a compounding pharmacy is not supposed to compound a drug in the same strength and form already available as a brand name.
Since Testosterone Cypionate is available as a brand name (Pfizer, Watson, etc) in 10ml 200mg/ml form, many compounders alter the finished product to justify compounding it. For example they may offer it in a different strength, volume, or as a combination drug.

Similar to the lack of enforcement regarding the compounding of Sildenafil (Viagra), the compounding of Testosterone Cypionate 200mg/ml at 10ml is not enforced due to the fact this particular medication has been around for a long time, is cheap to produce, and was not a potential profit generator for big pharmaceutical companies until the recent rise in TRT availability and marketing. In addition, it is also difficult to enforce this rule when a drug is compounded in a sterile injectable due to the compounders ability to subtly change the finished product by using different oils (like grapeseed instead of more common cottonseed), altering the strength (250mg/ml instead of 200mg/ml), or even combining different esters not available on the market as a brand (ex. Cypionate 80%/Propionate 20%).

Instead of being able to enforce patent violations, another method is being used to stop the compounding of Testosterone Cypionate. Through the continued establishment of redundant regulatory obstacles a compounder must go through to produce a sterile injectable, it is becoming more expensive to make sterile compounds including injectable testosterones. To seize on the fast growing market big pharmaceutical brands like Pfizer's Depot Testosterone are reducing their prices to become more competitive in order to gain the very high volume of residual sales generated from the prescribing of long term TRT. In addition, more generics are becoming available at a low price. To provide cost comparison, the AWP for Depot Testosterone is roughly $122. The AWP for Westward generic Test Cyp 200mg/ml 10ml is roughly $112 (as of March 2016). Note that there is only a $10 difference between the brand and generic, when typically the gap is far greater. The retail price for compounded Testosterone Cypionate 200mg/ml 10ml is typically around $50, give or take depending on the particular compounders volume and overhead. The wholesale price (what Walgreens pays for it before selling to you) of Depot Testosterone 200mg/ml 10ml is $46 while wholesale for Westward is roughly $41. You can see by this comparison that the gap in price between brand and generic is closing, while the cost to compound this same medication is increasing due to continued layers of regulation designed to limit the compounding industry. In recent weeks, the FDA has been visiting sterile compounders to specifically request samples of their compounded testosterone cypionate to test using their own lab to confirm sterility, potency, and endotoxin content. Remember, this is in addition to the already required FDA approved third party testing that a compounder must send each batch through before dispensing to a patient. So basically the FDA is re-testing a medication that has already passed approval from a FDA-approved third party lab. They are hunting for anything to be used as ammunition against compounders at this point. The third party testing is required on top of the compounding pharmacies own in-house testing, which must also be completed and documented using FDA approved methods. The high cost for third party batch testing contributes to the increased cost to compound testosterone cypionate. At this time I will not mention the additional layers of costs added to establish beyond use dating as now required for compounders. Also not to mention the scheduling of testosterone as a controlled substance which creates more costs for both pharmacists and doctors to prescribe and dispense it.
This stuff is important because what is occurring behind the scenes will possibly result in limiting availability of testosterone cypionate (and many other medications) on the market resulting in increased price and decreased access to these medications.
 
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Wow, Big Pharma and the FDA are really working to cut compounding pharmacies out of the Testosterone market. That is sad - not surprising - but sad none the less. Is there any recourse, or is it just a case of deep pockets and regulatory agencies holding all the cards in a game with small compounding pharmacies?
 
Jasen,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Is there a lobbying group or other centers of influence we can contact to show support for reducing persecution and ensuring these medications remain available through compounding pharmacies?
 

James

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There are some outstanding compounding pharmacies out there, and many others that I strongly believe are pumping out cypionate in concentrations inconsistent with what's on the vial. It will be interesting to see how this all works out.
 

maxadvance

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This stuff is important because what is occurring behind the scenes will possibly result in limiting availability of testosterone cypionate (and many other medications) on the market resulting in increased price and decreased access to these medications.


I kind of disagree, you just made a wonderful argument for Defy to start prescribing pharmagrade Depot Testosterone from Pfizer, especially since their price is now less than compounded versions. In fact I will request that from you guys for my next scrip.
 

Vitamin_C

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Wow, Big Pharma and the FDA are really working to cut compounding pharmacies out of the Testosterone market. That is sad - not surprising - but sad none the less. Is there any recourse, or is it just a case of deep pockets and regulatory agencies holding all the cards in a game with small compounding pharmacies?


Big Pharma and the FDA's relationship is absolutely criminal.
 
I just checked the website for The International Academy of Compounding Pharmacists and found this page: http://www.iacprx.org/?page=128

Shaun from Empower Pharmacy may also have a contact as well.

The best way to preserve access is to use a compounding pharmacy whenever possible. Educating doctors on how to prescribe using a compounding pharmacy is another way to ensure its longevity.
 
I kind of disagree, you just made a wonderful argument for Defy to start prescribing pharmagrade Depot Testosterone from Pfizer, especially since their price is now less than compounded versions. In fact I will request that from you guys for my next scrip.

Historically brand medication prices increase when cheaper alternatives are no longer available. Compounders provide low cost access to a variety of medications that can be customized into different forms, strengths, and blends using the exact same FDA approved ingredients. If compounders cease to compound injectable testosterone we are left with limited choice, and the possibility of brand and generic prices increasing. Also, what happens if the drug manufacturers stop producing generics and brands? This can happen too

Depot Testosterone is not a superior product. Pfizer uses the same raw cypionate as the sterile compounders. Compounders take the opportunity to fine tune the formula so that it has, for example, less BA%, better Ph, decreased viscosity, etc than the brand name. Big brands manufactured in massive batches do not go through such fine tuning. The wholesale price is what the supplier may sell it to the pharmacy depending on that pharmacies volume purchased for that particular drug, it's not the price patients receive. The AWP does not always reflect actual prices as it partly depends on the volume or contract that pharmacy has with the supplier. The supplier AWP was listed as a reference to show current price variation
 
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Historically brand medication prices increase when cheaper alternatives are no longer available. Compounders provide low cost access to a variety of medications that can be customized into different forms, strengths, and blends using the exact same FDA approved ingredients. If compounders cease to compound injectable testosterone we are left with limited choice, and the possibility of brand and generic prices increasing. Also, what happens if the drug manufacturers stop producing generics and brands? This can happen too

Depot Testosterone is not a superior product. Pfizer uses the same raw cypionate as the sterile compounders. Compounders take the opportunity to fine tune the formula so that it has, for example, less BA%, better Ph, decreased viscosity, etc than the brand name. Big brands manufactured in massive batches do not go through such fine tuning. The wholesale price is what the supplier may sell it to the pharmacy depending on that pharmacies volume purchased for that particular drug, it's not the price patients receive. The AWP is what the suppliers suggest as sort of a "suggested retail" but is not always what the pharmacy charges as it partly depends on the volume or contract that pharmacy has with the supplier. The supplier prices were listed as a reference to show current price variation

I get that, especially the price gouge coming once the competitor is eliminated. I hope that never happens. I am surprised to hear that the raws are the same though, that's good info. I've never used Depot, but you can understand that there's a feeling of certainty with that product that you might not have with the compounded version.

That being said, it's an interesting take on the brew recipe. BA% can range from .8 to over 2% and I assume the lower number represents less pip, and the BB% from single digits to 20%, all based on keeping the hormone stable and sterile in the solution. Pretty much once you find a good compound version stick with it, APS's Test C is smooth as butter with never a rash, bump, or pain. I'd hate to think I'd order it from Defy and then get a surprise version from a different pharmacy and possibly in a different carrier oil without a heads up.

So I guess it's all good for me as long as there are no surprises. I am very thankful that I found Defy.
 

Helboi

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Pretty much once you find a good compound version stick with it, APS's Test C is smooth as butter with never a rash, bump, or pain. I'd hate to think I'd order it from Defy and then get a surprise version from a different pharmacy and possibly in a different carrier oil without a heads up.

So I guess it's all good for me as long as there are no surprises. I am very thankful that I found Defy.

Defy does use different compounding pharmacy's. My first orders were from APS, and my latest is from a different compounder. Same carrier oil though. So I can only hope it's equal to APS. Not sure what prompts the change, availability? Price?
 
Defy does use different compounding pharmacy's. My first orders were from APS, and my latest is from a different compounder. Same carrier oil though. So I can only hope it's equal to APS. Not sure what prompts the change, availability? Price?


The pharmacy must meet certain requirements prior to Defy Medical sending a prescription, this includes proof of testing where every sterile injectable batch is tested for potency and sterility by an independent laboratory. Every compounding pharmacy must comply with the regulations set by USP 797 and the Board of Pharmacy of the state in which the pharmacy is located. In addition it is important to confirm that the pharmacy is capable of compounding the entire needed formulary to meet all patient needs. Lastly, the pharmacy must be able to handle the volume of orders needed to bring the cost down to an affordable cash pay price.

The doctors at Defy align with multiple pharmacies to ensure that patients always receive what they need.
 
its fascinating how expensive compounded test cyp is compared to the cost for the raw materials purchased in bulk.

Much of the cost for the finished product generates from the labor and regulatory overhead. Since a pharmacist makes a compounded drug from scratch there are more labor costs involved with producing a finished compound. When it comes to injectables including HCg and testosterone, each batch sample is required to be sent out for testing which generates additional costs before the drug is even ready to dispense. This is not to mention the internal costs needed to produce a compounded medication including supplies, waste, additional in-house testing, equipment maintenance, etc
 
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Much of the cost for the finished product generates from the labor and regulatory overhead. Since a pharmacist makes a compounded drug from scratch there are more labor costs involved with producing a finished compound. When it comes to injectables including HCg and testosterone, each batch sample is required to be sent out for testing which generates additional costs before the drug is even ready to dispense. This is not to mention the internal costs needed to produce a compounded medication including supplies, waste, additional in-house testing, equipment maintenance, etc

since the costs are effectively the same, can we request our scrips be filled by APS/whomever with pharma (watson, pfizer, etc) versus a compounded formula? since there is no difference, and appears to be no cost differential (wholesale), this is permitted correct?
 
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