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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Testosterone Side Effect Management
Testosterone and HDL
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<blockquote data-quote="Wilson7" data-source="post: 198054" data-attributes="member: 39729"><p>I think the subtle effects of HDL decreases (10 - 20%) with parenteral androgens is clinically insignificant. Attempts to decrease CAD risk with drugs that increase HDL alone have been unsuccessful, yes we can raise HDL but there is no effect on CAD events. No one has shown that decreases in HDL as a function of parenteral androgen administration (not endogenously low HDL bc of familial dysfunctional reverse cholesterol transport) leads to increased risk of CAD. We make that association bc low HDL is associated with increased CAD risk in people not on androgens. Its not that simple. How many years did we think prostate cancer was caused by testosterone based on one very old associative study? My HDL was in the mid-30's for decades from TC and/or ND for HRT, before that it was in the 60's. CT angiogram score a couple of years ago was 0. LDL however is < 65 and non HDL CHOL < 81. Those I feel are more important. I avoid AIs like the plague. There was paper that looked at 30+ years of treatment with oral androgens for HAE, in particular stanazolol. Even in small doses STAN will kill your HDL. In these patients, there was no increase in CAD. Now that doesn't mean guys that take their HDL down to 5 with abusive doses of oral androgens aren't at risk, just that more mild, but statistically significant decreases may not be clinically significant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wilson7, post: 198054, member: 39729"] I think the subtle effects of HDL decreases (10 - 20%) with parenteral androgens is clinically insignificant. Attempts to decrease CAD risk with drugs that increase HDL alone have been unsuccessful, yes we can raise HDL but there is no effect on CAD events. No one has shown that decreases in HDL as a function of parenteral androgen administration (not endogenously low HDL bc of familial dysfunctional reverse cholesterol transport) leads to increased risk of CAD. We make that association bc low HDL is associated with increased CAD risk in people not on androgens. Its not that simple. How many years did we think prostate cancer was caused by testosterone based on one very old associative study? My HDL was in the mid-30's for decades from TC and/or ND for HRT, before that it was in the 60's. CT angiogram score a couple of years ago was 0. LDL however is < 65 and non HDL CHOL < 81. Those I feel are more important. I avoid AIs like the plague. There was paper that looked at 30+ years of treatment with oral androgens for HAE, in particular stanazolol. Even in small doses STAN will kill your HDL. In these patients, there was no increase in CAD. Now that doesn't mean guys that take their HDL down to 5 with abusive doses of oral androgens aren't at risk, just that more mild, but statistically significant decreases may not be clinically significant. [/QUOTE]
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