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<blockquote data-quote="Colin" data-source="post: 22372" data-attributes="member: 11390"><p>I'm a 70 YO male with HIV, since 1981-85, have been on HAART therapy for</p><p>about ten years. I waited as long as I could for therapy, since the</p><p>long-term effects were unknown and certainly suspect, doing whatever</p><p>preventative measures I could to stave off the onset of complications</p><p>from the virus; waited maybe a year too long, but -- since I've been on</p><p>therapy the virus has remained "undetectable, and no complications from</p><p>the virus; though I believe I may be feeling some effects of the</p><p>therapy. I work out regularly, resistance training, always have, but</p><p>actually harder now than ever before. I'm 5'8, 160 lbs.</p><p></p><p>I have been using Serostim for a couple of years. The script is for 5mg,</p><p>or 25IU reconstitute vials. Per your recommendations, and those of</p><p>body-builder friends, I do not use the full amount (cannot anyway,</p><p>since, when I did do in the beginning, I took on water weight, among</p><p>other negative things, joint pain among them). I split the vials into</p><p>three, 5IU per dose, using bacteriostatic water, again, per your</p><p>recommendation, and refrigerate the syringes; I do six days on and one</p><p>day off. I thought I could do for four months on and a month off, but I</p><p>felt there were negative effects when I went off. Do I need to taper</p><p>off, or should I not cycle off at all, and if at all, over what intervals?</p><p></p><p>I have a backlog of the prescription building since I'm using only a</p><p>third of it. When the script comes the packages have the same month and</p><p>year expiration date whether I get the package in, say January or May of</p><p>the same year. Researching expiration dates for prescription drugs, I've</p><p>learned that such dates are often based on the research/study done for</p><p>that particular drug, with a cutoff date for the study of however many</p><p>years -- say five -- and this is used for the expiration, though the</p><p>drug might actually have a shelf life well beyond the cutoff date for</p><p>the study. Do you know if that is the case with Serostim? It's unlikely</p><p>that I'll be getting the script renewed indefinitely; I'm relieved when</p><p>each year it is. I could have a backlog of seven or ten years at the</p><p>dosage that I'm using if/when it is no longer prescribed. It would be</p><p>great if I could use it for long beyond its stated expiration date.</p><p></p><p>Also, I see two different ID doctors: one for my regular checkups and</p><p>lab-work, since beginning HAART; the other doctor was for answers to</p><p>questions that the first doctor was unclear of. (Doctor 2 is a</p><p>specialist in hormone therapy for HIV patients, and I was having</p><p>difficulty maintaining a good testosterone balance.) The second doctor</p><p>has an in-house pharmacy, so I've begun getting prescriptions from him;</p><p>the first doctor now prescribes only the Serostim.</p><p></p><p>So there is an overlap of HIV specialist care. Doctor 2 has prescribed</p><p>100mg depo testosterone, which I've ended up taking on an as-needed</p><p>basis (after using way too much 200mg and ending up with a >75 for the</p><p>free, and then too little, with below average free) -- lately .75cc</p><p>injections about every ten days has been keeping me at the high end for</p><p>the free. He also prescribes Oxandrolone 10mg. This I began taking about</p><p>two years ago after complaining that no matter how hard I worked out I</p><p>could not put on any muscle weight. We started at 10mg twice a day and</p><p>cut back to once a day after I reached my desired weight, which is now</p><p>stabilized at about 160, after having never been able get beyond 145.</p><p></p><p>I am doing Serostim, Oxandrolone, testosterone, all on top of the HAART</p><p>therapy. I feel at times that my system is always 'running hot,' but I</p><p>don't know if it's from the long-term use of HAART, the combination of</p><p>all the drugs, the heavy workouts. (Oh, and did I mention I'm 70? Though</p><p>a very youthful 70; pass for mid-50s.) I don't complain to either</p><p>doctor about things because I don't want them cutting back on any of the</p><p>prescriptions. Might you have any input as to whether or not I'm pushing</p><p>things too far? Or do I need to provide you first with answers to</p><p>additional questions you might have?</p><p></p><p>I'm grateful for the information in, and the knowledge I've gained from,</p><p>your book. I've found it very useful.</p><p></p><p>Thank you for that.</p><p></p><p>Colin</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Colin, post: 22372, member: 11390"] I'm a 70 YO male with HIV, since 1981-85, have been on HAART therapy for about ten years. I waited as long as I could for therapy, since the long-term effects were unknown and certainly suspect, doing whatever preventative measures I could to stave off the onset of complications from the virus; waited maybe a year too long, but -- since I've been on therapy the virus has remained "undetectable, and no complications from the virus; though I believe I may be feeling some effects of the therapy. I work out regularly, resistance training, always have, but actually harder now than ever before. I'm 5'8, 160 lbs. I have been using Serostim for a couple of years. The script is for 5mg, or 25IU reconstitute vials. Per your recommendations, and those of body-builder friends, I do not use the full amount (cannot anyway, since, when I did do in the beginning, I took on water weight, among other negative things, joint pain among them). I split the vials into three, 5IU per dose, using bacteriostatic water, again, per your recommendation, and refrigerate the syringes; I do six days on and one day off. I thought I could do for four months on and a month off, but I felt there were negative effects when I went off. Do I need to taper off, or should I not cycle off at all, and if at all, over what intervals? I have a backlog of the prescription building since I'm using only a third of it. When the script comes the packages have the same month and year expiration date whether I get the package in, say January or May of the same year. Researching expiration dates for prescription drugs, I've learned that such dates are often based on the research/study done for that particular drug, with a cutoff date for the study of however many years -- say five -- and this is used for the expiration, though the drug might actually have a shelf life well beyond the cutoff date for the study. Do you know if that is the case with Serostim? It's unlikely that I'll be getting the script renewed indefinitely; I'm relieved when each year it is. I could have a backlog of seven or ten years at the dosage that I'm using if/when it is no longer prescribed. It would be great if I could use it for long beyond its stated expiration date. Also, I see two different ID doctors: one for my regular checkups and lab-work, since beginning HAART; the other doctor was for answers to questions that the first doctor was unclear of. (Doctor 2 is a specialist in hormone therapy for HIV patients, and I was having difficulty maintaining a good testosterone balance.) The second doctor has an in-house pharmacy, so I've begun getting prescriptions from him; the first doctor now prescribes only the Serostim. So there is an overlap of HIV specialist care. Doctor 2 has prescribed 100mg depo testosterone, which I've ended up taking on an as-needed basis (after using way too much 200mg and ending up with a >75 for the free, and then too little, with below average free) -- lately .75cc injections about every ten days has been keeping me at the high end for the free. He also prescribes Oxandrolone 10mg. This I began taking about two years ago after complaining that no matter how hard I worked out I could not put on any muscle weight. We started at 10mg twice a day and cut back to once a day after I reached my desired weight, which is now stabilized at about 160, after having never been able get beyond 145. I am doing Serostim, Oxandrolone, testosterone, all on top of the HAART therapy. I feel at times that my system is always 'running hot,' but I don't know if it's from the long-term use of HAART, the combination of all the drugs, the heavy workouts. (Oh, and did I mention I'm 70? Though a very youthful 70; pass for mid-50s.) I don't complain to either doctor about things because I don't want them cutting back on any of the prescriptions. Might you have any input as to whether or not I'm pushing things too far? Or do I need to provide you first with answers to additional questions you might have? I'm grateful for the information in, and the knowledge I've gained from, your book. I've found it very useful. Thank you for that. Colin [/QUOTE]
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