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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Clomid for PCT, fertility or low T
Regaining fertility after 3 years of TRT, no hCG
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<blockquote data-quote="MrWrldWide" data-source="post: 214482" data-attributes="member: 43214"><p>Thanks, DS3. Right - I understand the HCG + Clomid protocol. In my consultations with Defy, this is essentially the HPTA restart protocol, no? I mean, the HCG slowly gets phased out, the Clomid remains and you eventually go back to natural T, LH and FSH production, was my understanding. I also understood this to be an absolutely grueling 6-month process, which I am trying to avoid like the plague. My T was VERY low prior to TRT, and HCG tends to send my E through the roof - I'm just anxious that it would be a very depressing, grueling process for me. If it ends up being the only option, then it is what it is - I'll grin and bear it. But, I want to try to regain fertility without coming off exogenous testosterone first, before getting to the last resort. </p><p></p><p>And, I thought that there seems to be some success in doing this with reasonable amounts of HMG. It makes logical sense in my head: exogenous T shuts down the HPTA axis. As a result, the brain stops secreting LH and FSH. But, if you supplement the LH analog - HCG - and actual FSH (from HMG) - then the natural function of the HPTA feedback loop is circumvented, right? Ultimately, the receptors in your testicles should be receiving everything they need to initiate and develop sperm, right? HCG increases the ITT according to numerous studies posted in these forums, and the HMG contains the FSH which should trigger the sertoli cells to create new sperm. I mean, in theory, that sounds right to me, but I am NOT a doctor LOL.</p><p></p><p>I also know I had fertility prior to starting TRT, as I conceived two children prior to starting it. So, I don't believe natural infertility is my problem.</p><p></p><p>In any event, I'm so thankful for a forum like this where we can all discuss our experimentation/results. I'll be sure to post my SA results here, after the HCG/FSH protocol I did for the last 90 days. I'm hoping for ANY improvement above ZERO sperm count. I then plan to continue a similar regiment, but with HMG (due to the current lack of production of FSH by compounding pharmacies). I'm planning to try to continue the HCG and HMG protocol without coming off my TRT dose. If that doesn't do it for me, then my final step will likely be the HCG/Clomid HPTA restart regiment you outlined. I hope that's not the case; but, we shall see.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrWrldWide, post: 214482, member: 43214"] Thanks, DS3. Right - I understand the HCG + Clomid protocol. In my consultations with Defy, this is essentially the HPTA restart protocol, no? I mean, the HCG slowly gets phased out, the Clomid remains and you eventually go back to natural T, LH and FSH production, was my understanding. I also understood this to be an absolutely grueling 6-month process, which I am trying to avoid like the plague. My T was VERY low prior to TRT, and HCG tends to send my E through the roof - I'm just anxious that it would be a very depressing, grueling process for me. If it ends up being the only option, then it is what it is - I'll grin and bear it. But, I want to try to regain fertility without coming off exogenous testosterone first, before getting to the last resort. And, I thought that there seems to be some success in doing this with reasonable amounts of HMG. It makes logical sense in my head: exogenous T shuts down the HPTA axis. As a result, the brain stops secreting LH and FSH. But, if you supplement the LH analog - HCG - and actual FSH (from HMG) - then the natural function of the HPTA feedback loop is circumvented, right? Ultimately, the receptors in your testicles should be receiving everything they need to initiate and develop sperm, right? HCG increases the ITT according to numerous studies posted in these forums, and the HMG contains the FSH which should trigger the sertoli cells to create new sperm. I mean, in theory, that sounds right to me, but I am NOT a doctor LOL. I also know I had fertility prior to starting TRT, as I conceived two children prior to starting it. So, I don't believe natural infertility is my problem. In any event, I'm so thankful for a forum like this where we can all discuss our experimentation/results. I'll be sure to post my SA results here, after the HCG/FSH protocol I did for the last 90 days. I'm hoping for ANY improvement above ZERO sperm count. I then plan to continue a similar regiment, but with HMG (due to the current lack of production of FSH by compounding pharmacies). I'm planning to try to continue the HCG and HMG protocol without coming off my TRT dose. If that doesn't do it for me, then my final step will likely be the HCG/Clomid HPTA restart regiment you outlined. I hope that's not the case; but, we shall see. [/QUOTE]
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