Recent Labs

[Loki]

I guess I have no need for Sermorelin? I was really wanting to try it for the sleep and metabolic benefits... Here are some of my recent labs from that Defy ordered...


DHT 27 Range 30 - 85 LOW
Thyroxine (T4) 1.36 Range 0.82 - 1.77 02
IGF-1 282 Range 83 - 233 HIGH
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 3.9 Range 2.0 - 4.4 02



Any input on my Thyroid results?

 

[Nelson Vergel]

I would just concentrate on increasing your DHT. A T cream without alcohol applied to your scrotum can accomplish that.

 

[CoastWatcher]

Mica - How are you feeling? Is your protocol successful?

 

[Loki]

Mica - How are you feeling? Is your protocol successful?

I feel pretty good... I can tell my DHT is low... Everything works fine but emotionally (sex drive, excitement, happiness, Etc) is low... I will work on improving this for sure... Physically I am as strong as ever and lifting weights and playing bball with people half my age (and kicking their butts)... So I can't complain too much... But I can certainly feel something is a little off...

 

[Vince Carter]

I don't think the Thyroid results are enough to make a remark about, they're remarkably incomplete, yet I see nothing alarming there. I'd like to see a TSH, minimum. Re: the DHT, DR Saya has me on a daily T cream supplement to my injections, that I apply to the scrotum daily, it definitely rose my DHT to at or just above max lab ranges.

 

[Loki]

I don't think the Thyroid results are enough to make a remark about, they're remarkably incomplete, yet I see nothing alarming there. I'd like to see a TSH, minimum. Re: the DHT, DR Saya has me on a daily T cream supplement to my injections, that I apply to the scrotum daily, it definitely rose my DHT to at or just above max lab ranges.

Yeah I think Defy missed quite a few labs, what you see is all they checked... How many MG of T do you apply daily ? In the past the only lab I have had was TSH and this time is it missing... I have never had the other labs so I have no idea what they mean... Is the IGF-1 normal to run a little high?

 

[Vince Carter]

The cream I use amounts to 25mg total. It's a click dispenser, 4 clicks = 1mL @ 50mg, so 2 clicks = 25mg.

 

[ERO]

Vince-

Do you feel that the topical T and increased DHT are making you feel better, or is it too early to tell? I ask because I am considering trying this myself after my next consult.

 

[Vince Carter]

KNowing I have these other issues, hard to say, it wasn't the answer I was looking for with my libido. I'd rather be taking it than not, I'm totally interested in all my hormonal areas but at the top ranges.

 

[ERO]

Sleep issues

I used to have serious sleep issue and FWIW, here are 3 supplements that have made a HUGE improvement in my sleep. I am sharing because I hope they help you or someone else as much as they have helped me.

My issue was due to the fact that my cortisol spiked at 2-3 AM so I would go to bed, go to sleep fine and wake up wired at 2-3 AM and stay awake until my alarm went off, at which point I would finally be able to go back to sleep...but of course I then had to get up for work.

Anyway, here they are:

* Seriphos - One with dinner, one right before bed.

* Glycene - 3 right before bed.

* Melatonin - One right before bed. Note that, for many people anyway, a low dose works better than a high dose. High doses leave you groggy and often don't seem to help you sleep as well as a low dose

 

[Loki]

Ok, I just got the rest of my Labs... Remember these are the first labs from my new Defy protocol... I have the full labs but will just post the key points.

Hemoglobin 16.4 Range 12.6-17.7
Hematocrit 49.2 Range 37.5-51.0
Glucose 94 Range 65-99
BUN 13 Range 6-24
Creatinine 1.32 Range .76-1.27
eGFR 67 Range >59
Total T 1074 Range 348-1197
Free T 22.6 Range 6.8-21.5
DHEA-S 385.4 Range 102.6-416.3
TSH 1.72 Range .45-4.5
PSA .8 Range .0-4.0
Estradiol 50.6 Range 8.0-35.0


Any thoughts... The other thyroid labs are at the top of thread. What do you guys think? I think it is an improvement but I see on area of concern... I will see if anybody else thinks so as well...

 

[ERO]

Your labs look good. Glucose is edging a bit towards the high end if that is a fasted test.

I would not worry about your E2 level when your Total and Free are where they are unless you have overt high E2 symptoms. If you do then a very small dose of AI may be in order.

 

[Loki]

That was a fasting test.... and Looking back my Glucose on the last test was 84. I wonder what is driving that? See I thought my E2 was high and I just have very minor E2 Symptoms (a couple days a week nipple sensitivity)...

 

[ERO]

Your E2 *may* be too high for you. On the T:E ratio you are at 21, with 14-20 being optimal so not far out of ideal range, but nipple sensitivity could mean that your body likes a lower E2 level. A very tiny amount of AI is likely all you might need. Something like 0.15 mg twice a week. Dr. Saya wil give better guidance on this.

On the glucose, it maybe a one-off. You can get glucose meters at Walgreens now for like 15 bucks so it may be worth getting one and testing your fasting levels for a couple weeks just to see a trend and baseline. a one-time high reading could be from a big carb meal the night before or something.

 

[Loki]

Your E2 *may* be too high for you. On the T:E ratio you are at 21, with 14-20 being optimal so not far out of ideal range, but nipple sensitivity could mean that your body likes a lower E2 level. A very tiny amount of AI is likely all you might need. Something like 0.15 mg twice a week. Dr. Saya wil give better guidance on this.

On the glucose, it maybe a one-off. You can get glucose meters at Walgreens now for like 15 bucks so it may be worth getting one and testing your fasting levels for a couple weeks just to see a trend and baseline. a one-time high reading could be from a big carb meal the night before or something.

I did take my stack and all my vitamins a couple hours prior to my blood draw... Not sure how that impacts things.. I will do the Walgreens test... My gut says I am E2 Sensitive... Prior to TRT I was always very very low.... Follow up with Dr. Saya is early next week...

 

[ERO]

The big question is, how are you feeling on this protocol? Good, bad, just OK, etc..

 

[Loki]

I would give it a b-... My gut says if I get my E2 down a little and DHT up I will feel like a rock star... Body composition is good, strength good... Drive, libido, morning wood and general emotion are flat...

 

[Fireproof]

Numbers look really good in general, apart from the couple things mentioned above. Looks like you are just at the "fine tuning" stage which is awesome.

 

[Loki]

Numbers look really good in general, apart from the couple things mentioned above. Looks like you are just at the "fine tuning" stage which is awesome.

Yes I think Defy is great... Awesome start!!!