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Recent labs: HIGH Estradiol. Causing sleep issues?
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<blockquote data-quote="S1W" data-source="post: 104014" data-attributes="member: 16947"><p>Man, your pre-TRT numbers and background are very similar to mine. Same experience with gyno as a teen...removed surgically. I've always been lean and athletic, but seem to have a propensity to aromatize T as well. My thyroid is totally fine FWIW.</p><p></p><p>I was recently on a 64mg T. Cyp. E3.5D with 350IU HCG E3.5D protocol. I don't have my labs in front of me but peak reading was around 750TT with E2 55. SHBG was a few points lower than yours, FT a bit high out of range, age 40. I didn't really feel bad per se, but didn't feel great either compared to pre-TRT. In terms of high E2 symptoms, I felt an abnormal tingling/burning/pain in my breasts with those E2 numbers, and a few other minor symptoms. Some guys will tell you that nipple tingling is normal with hormonal changes - this was more than that and was consistent and uncomfortable. I was also concerned about long-term effects of high E2 and I'm very reluctant to start on an AI until I have absolutely exhausted every other option. </p><p></p><p>So with my doc, we decided to try changing the T dose to 60mg E3.5D and drop the HCG altogether. I'm only a few weeks into that protocol and will not draw labs for a while. But I can say that the breast discomfort is gone. Zombie dong is back though (I've noticed that when I'm on T only, penile sensitivity decreases for some reason). But overall, feel better SO FAR without the HCG. I'm going to ride this out for a bit and see how I feel and what labs look like once stable levels have been reached, however unless I feel like a million bucks I'm planning to add HCG back at a lower dose. The idea with all of this would be that with baseline labs from a T. Cyp. only protocol, I would be able to accurately see what effect, if any, HCG is having on my numbers once it is added back in.</p><p></p><p>Bringing it back to you, I think your doses of both T. Cyp. and HCG are too high. And if those labs when you drew 957 TT and 60 E2 were taken at your trough (low point just before your next injection, on your protocol likely first thing Monday morning), it looks like everything, not just E2, is high. </p><p></p><p>Blind leading the blind here - I'm far from a guru and not completely dialed in myself. But given our very similar backgrounds and numbers, I figured I'd chime in with a few more details. Best of luck and please update your post with your progress.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="S1W, post: 104014, member: 16947"] Man, your pre-TRT numbers and background are very similar to mine. Same experience with gyno as a teen...removed surgically. I've always been lean and athletic, but seem to have a propensity to aromatize T as well. My thyroid is totally fine FWIW. I was recently on a 64mg T. Cyp. E3.5D with 350IU HCG E3.5D protocol. I don't have my labs in front of me but peak reading was around 750TT with E2 55. SHBG was a few points lower than yours, FT a bit high out of range, age 40. I didn't really feel bad per se, but didn't feel great either compared to pre-TRT. In terms of high E2 symptoms, I felt an abnormal tingling/burning/pain in my breasts with those E2 numbers, and a few other minor symptoms. Some guys will tell you that nipple tingling is normal with hormonal changes - this was more than that and was consistent and uncomfortable. I was also concerned about long-term effects of high E2 and I'm very reluctant to start on an AI until I have absolutely exhausted every other option. So with my doc, we decided to try changing the T dose to 60mg E3.5D and drop the HCG altogether. I'm only a few weeks into that protocol and will not draw labs for a while. But I can say that the breast discomfort is gone. Zombie dong is back though (I've noticed that when I'm on T only, penile sensitivity decreases for some reason). But overall, feel better SO FAR without the HCG. I'm going to ride this out for a bit and see how I feel and what labs look like once stable levels have been reached, however unless I feel like a million bucks I'm planning to add HCG back at a lower dose. The idea with all of this would be that with baseline labs from a T. Cyp. only protocol, I would be able to accurately see what effect, if any, HCG is having on my numbers once it is added back in. Bringing it back to you, I think your doses of both T. Cyp. and HCG are too high. And if those labs when you drew 957 TT and 60 E2 were taken at your trough (low point just before your next injection, on your protocol likely first thing Monday morning), it looks like everything, not just E2, is high. Blind leading the blind here - I'm far from a guru and not completely dialed in myself. But given our very similar backgrounds and numbers, I figured I'd chime in with a few more details. Best of luck and please update your post with your progress. [/QUOTE]
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